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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    The argument for lifting the embargo is made by people who believe that laws that in our country protect property and its lawful owners should not apply to the Cuban citizens, this is why they encourage us to enjoy parading in 50's era cars that were stolen at gun point from their lawful owners, and stay in hotels that were confiscated from their lawful owners, and smoke cigars made in factories that were stolen from their lawful owners, or sip mojitos and daiquiris made from rum brands stolen from their rightful owners.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    You don’t need to look further; here you have the answer from the “horse” mouth:

    It is necessary to impose financial, economic and material restrictions to dictatorships, so that they will not take roots for long years….Diplomatic and morals measures do not work against dictatorships, because these make fun of the Governments and the population”. Fidel Castro (Excerpt from the book “Fidel Castro and Human Rights”, Editora Política, Havana, Cuba, 1988)


    What will bring "Change" to Cuba are free elections, the freeing of all political prisoners, and the implementation of a market economy. Everything else is “mental masturbation!”

    This is one of the few times that I agree with Castro. In this case a 100%. Keep the embargo until he cry uncle.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    One thing that constitution expressly mentions about the power of the federal government, it's in the arena of regulating trade. The way the embargo has been structured, it's a trade policy; it is about spending dollars in a foreign country. There are many ways a US citizen can visit Cuba. What's restricted is spending money there as a tourist. There's a reason why people who travel to Cuba legally have to get a license from OFAC (the office of foreign asset control) which is part of the treasury department. The embargo exists because of the Castro brothers expropriation of American assets.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    The calls for lifting the embargo are coming from all angles and all sides, most of them with the standard syndicated filler language used by the regime in Cuba.

    Lifting the embargo will most certainly lead to allowing Cuba credit for its purchases, specifically from agricultural states where farms and other agricultural businesses are heavily subsidized by the US tax payer. When the regime defaults on those credits, the responsibility for repayment will fall upon the American tax payer.

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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The calls for lifting the embargo are coming from all angles and all sides, most of them with the standard syndicated filler language used by the regime in Cuba.

    Lifting the embargo will most certainly lead to allowing Cuba credit for its purchases, specifically from agricultural states where farms and other agricultural businesses are heavily subsidized by the US tax payer. When the regime defaults on those credits, the responsibility for repayment will fall upon the American tax payer.
    Cuba isn't the only country we feed on a regular basis. Are they the only faulty exception in that instance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Measured by those parameters, U.S. sanctions have been successful in Cuba, and should be maintained. U.S. policy shouldn’t be used to bail out a failed dictatorship and help it survive.
    Cuba will still be a failed economy without the embargo. However, there is no reason for the US to keep up an embargo that only hurts the Cuban people. Nothing has been accomplished for half a century. Time to give it up.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    This is one of the few times that I agree with Castro. In this case a 100%. Keep the embargo until he cry uncle.
    He has shown for years that he will not cry uncle. Why do we continue this unwinnable fight? I don't know what the solution is for Cuba to rid itself of this cancer that is Communism, but I do know that the embargo has not been, is not, and will not be the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    He has shown for years that he will not cry uncle. Why do we continue this unwinnable fight? I don't know what the solution is for Cuba to rid itself of this cancer that is Communism, but I do know that the embargo has not been, is not, and will not be the answer.
    The approval of credits to the Castro brothers’ regime by the United States would only replace the Soviet subsidy that they no longer receives, and will delay the transition of the Cuban people towards democracy guaranteeing additional decades of oppression and misery. Castro brothers’ tyranny looks forward to the day when the military apparatus and the massive repressive security service will be maintained at the expense of the United States government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The approval of credits to the Castro brothers’ regime by the United States would only replace the Soviet subsidy that they no longer receives, and will delay the transition of the Cuban people towards democracy guaranteeing additional decades of oppression and misery. Castro brothers’ tyranny looks forward to the day when the military apparatus and the massive repressive security service will be maintained at the expense of the United States government.
    It's not happening like that. The Soviet subsidy has been gone for 20 years plus the embargo and still not even an inkling of change. Quit the embargo already, it's obviously not hurting the regime, but it definitely is hurting the people. I have relatives there, so it's very personal to me that the people there have the best opportunity possible. I don't know what to do to get them a better government, but I do know that the embargo only hurts them.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
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    Re: Embargo? What Embargo?

    Truth about the travel ban
    Truth about the travel ban - Other Views - MiamiHerald.com

    By Mauricio Claver-Carone
    US-Cuba Democracy Pac

    Every day there seems to be a new effort to lift U.S. sanctions toward Cuba, in particular the ``travel ban.'' The latest is a bill by House Agriculture Committee Chairman Colin Peterson, of Minnesota, and U.S. Rep. Jerry Moran, of Kansas, supposedly aimed at increasing agricultural sales to the Castro regime. But its most dramatic provision would end the ``travel ban.''

    Tragically, the Peterson-Moran bill was introduced on the same day that 42-year-old Cuban pro-democracy leader and Amnesty International ``prisoner of conscience'' Orlando Zapata Tamayo died after an almost three-months'-long hunger strike protesting the brutal beatings, abuses and prison conditions he endured.

    While supporters of loosening the travel ban make bold predictions and philosophical arguments, few stick to the facts. Consider:

    • There is no ban on travel to Cuba -- only a ban on taking an exotic vacation there. The Department of Treasury's responsibility, under the trading With the Enemy Act (TWEA), is to prohibit or regulate commercial ``transactions'' related to travel, not travel per se.

    Travel to Cuba is authorized for a variety of reasons, ranging from academic, religious and family visits to visits in support of civil society. Tens of thousands of Americans legally travel to Cuba for these purposes every year.

    • Tourism is the main source of income for the Castro regime. Cuba's tourism industry is operated and owned by the Cuban military, the Ministry of the Revolutionary Armed Forces (MINFAR).
    If the Castro brothers’ regime really wanted US tourists to roam the streets of Havana, they wouldn't have beat up Yoani, arrested and continued to detain the US contractor, allowed Zapata Tamayo to die, nor badmouth Obama at every step of the way since the announcement of last November's House hearings. As Sec. Clinton said, ``There's proof that each time we try to promote an increased free flow of people and information, the Castro regime digs in.''

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