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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Are we talking about this guy:

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    nope.... THiS fella


    He led a rebellion against a vicious U.S. sponsored tyrant. It is the "U.S. sponsored" part that makes him so hated here. Had it been a Soviet sponsored tyrant, we would hang his pictures on the walls of our primary schools.

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Looks the same to me.
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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    i can dig that. many people find it simpler to see people of other races as lower on the taxonomic scale. Apes are probably the most common denigrating comparison. Lots of people like to represent our own president so. Once upon a time my own family would have been so represented.



    not exactly original.

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo Patric View Post
    nope.... THiS fella


    He led a rebellion against a vicious U.S. sponsored tyrant. It is the "U.S. sponsored" part that makes him so hated here. Had it been a Soviet sponsored tyrant, we would hang his pictures on the walls of our primary schools.

    geo.

    I think the fact that it was a communist revolution he lead is the chief factor in why so many in the US despise Che Guevera.

    And that he idolized Stalin, who authored the butchery of millions.

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo Patric View Post
    i can dig that. many people find it simpler to see people of other races as lower on the taxonomic scale. Apes are probably the most common denigrating comparison. Lots of people like to represent our own president so. Once upon a time my own family would have been so represented.

    not exactly original.

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    I'm sure lots of people think Che Guevara actually looks like Cornelius from the Planet of the Apes (Cornelius was played by a white guy, BTW).


    Plus, isn't it funny how racist people assume anyone from South America is "another race" but anyone who isn't ignorant actually knows that che was actually white. Part Irish in fact.

    Just like the actor who played Cornelius.
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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    i do not really believe that anyone is a 'different race' because race is myth. it has no standing aside from our wish to believe that people that do not look like we do must be fundamentally different. they are not.

    yes, i know that Guevara had Irish heritage. So do I. So does the fella in the ugly caricature that i posted. che was argentinian, spanish and irish.

    that was the point. white? depends on whom you ask. he did not look like an ape. and if it is your wish to NOT seem like a racist you would be well advised to abjure the tactics of racism.

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo Patric View Post
    i do not really believe that anyone is a 'different race' because race is myth. it has no standing aside from our wish to believe that people that do not look like we do must be fundamentally different. they are not.

    Then why did you claim that Guevara was another "race" when you said "many people find it simpler to see people of other races as lower on the taxonomic scale."

    Clearly I couldn't have been doing this as I was well aware that Guevara and I are of the same race.

    yes, i know that Guevara had Irish heritage. So do I. So does the fella in the picture that i posted.
    So does the fella in the picture that I posted.

    that was the point.

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    Pretty horrible way to make a point. Either you made an assumption about Guevara's race (which is white) or assumed that I was not also white.

    Either way, the person who brought up race was you.
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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I think the fact that it was a communist revolution he lead is the chief factor in why so many in the US despise Che Guevera.

    And that he idolized Stalin, who authored the butchery of millions.
    he was one of Time magazines (you know Time, found by Henry Luce, that paragon of conservatism) as one its 100 most important people of the 2oth century.

    Che was a physician who gave up his profession to fight tyranny. He allied with the soviet ideology because the soviets allied with HIM... the enemy of my enemy is my ally, as the saying goes. The U.S. was behind the overthrow of the democratically elected Arbenz in Guatemala in the interest of United Fruit who had substantial capital investments in Central America. If Guevara developed a loathing for capitalism, he had good cause.

    He joined Castro only after the U.S. refused to assist Castro in putting in a legitimate government in Cuba. It was not in the U.S. interests to have a democratic government in Cuba... United Fruit was THERE too, of course. To say that he was brutal... all warriors are. Not all need be warriors though. it is the determination of what obliges war that qualifies the warrior:
    Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted.
    Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

    sounds right to me. Che eventually abandoned stalinist ideology for a more 'humanist' version of socialism. Not that it mattered. The CIA hired a traitor to the Cuban revolution to assassinate him.

    and then things got all better! Cuba was free! free! free!

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    Re: The real Che Guevara

    white. they are white when we want to avoid charges of our casting them as beasts.

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