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Last Days of Chavez's Legacy: The Fall of Chavismo in Venezuela

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Venezuela’s December election was an historic moment. After exactly 17 years of dominating the country’s institutions and politics, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) — founded by the late President Hugo Chavez — was defeated at the polls.

The party, and its Chavista allies, was beaten in the congressional election of December 6 by the opposition coalition, which now has enough seats in the National Assembly to challenge President Nicolas Maduro, Chavez’s successor.

Indeed, Ramos Allup, the assembly’s newly elected speaker, declared on January 5 that there would be a change of government within six months. Under Venezuela’s constitution, the president can be removed with a recall referendum.

Other lawmakers have said that they would push for the release of political prisoners jailed under Maduro’s government.

Yet the president remains defiant, responding: "Let them call a recall referendum and then the people will decide.” Maduro has also said that he would veto any prisoner amnesty law.

VICE News traveled to Venezuela to see how the Chavistas prepared for the election, and followed PSUV candidate Zulay Aguirre during her campaign
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The Bolivarian revolution has hit a major roadblock, the loss of the national assembly. However the fight is not yet over, the next venezuelan election is a presidential election which will happen in 2018. This may be a major roadblock for the revolution, but its not yet over.
 
TheDemSocialist said:


The Bolivarian revolution has hit a major roadblock, the loss of the national assembly. However the fight is not yet over, the next venezuelan election is a presidential election which will happen in 2018. This may be a major roadblock for the revolution, but its not yet over.
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You seem to dislike those people a lot.
 
Other lawmakers have said that they would push for the release of political prisoners jailed under Maduro’s government.Yet the president remains defiant, responding: "Let them call a recall referendum and then the people will decide.” Maduro has also said that he would veto any prisoner amnesty law.
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From the OP.
Bit surprised that you would be on Maduros side fo this.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
The Bolivarian revolution has hit a major roadblock, the loss of the national assembly. However the fight is not yet over, the next venezuelan election is a presidential election which will happen in 2018. This may be a major roadblock for the revolution, but its not yet over.
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. After Clinton or Sanders beat Trump in November y'all will get to try out those theories right here at home.

I also have to commend you guys. You've seen the plan fail in in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and chunks of South America. It was failing pretty dramatically in China until they decided to adopt a number of western policies (though how much those have worked is coming into question this week!) but you keep on coming at it with new slogans and new propaganda like it's a whole new plan. Sure, keeping up like that is the definition of insanity but it shows tenacity and a real commitment to your unworkable beliefs.

You should be proud!
 
Lutherf said:
I wouldn't worry about it too much. After Clinton or Sanders beat Trump in November y'all will get to try out those theories right here at home.

I also have to commend you guys. You've seen the plan fail in in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and chunks of South America. It was failing pretty dramatically in China until they decided to adopt a number of western policies (though how much those have worked is coming into question this week!) but you keep on coming at it with new slogans and new propaganda like it's a whole new plan. Sure, keeping up like that is the definition of insanity but it shows tenacity and a real commitment to your unworkable beliefs.

You should be proud!
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Oh, so its "socialisms fault"? I mean you completely ignore the historical precedence and the socioeconomic development for the country.

You first forget that this is a historical problem for the country which the government is trying to mitigate. Lets just look at some data here:
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TheDemSocialist said:
Oh, so its "socialisms fault"? I mean you completely ignore the historical precedence and the socioeconomic development for the country.

You first forget that this is a historical problem for the country which the government is trying to mitigate. Lets just look at some data here:
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FAOSTAT

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I'm picking post #2 as sufficient evidence of another in a long line of Socialist efforts supplying the inevitable result.
 
ocean515 said:
I'm picking post #2 as sufficient evidence of another in a long line of Socialist efforts supplying the inevitable result.
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So the argument is socialism leads to what? Crime and food shortages?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Oh, so its "socialisms fault"? I mean you completely ignore the historical precedence and the socioeconomic development for the country.

You first forget that this is a historical problem for the country which the government is trying to mitigate. Lets just look at some data here:
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FAOSTAT

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FAOSTAT
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And if you compare the charts for imports to Venezuela you will see a direct correlation. They weren't producing anything but chickens and milk. Pretty much all their other food was imported.
 
Lutherf said:
And if you compare the charts for imports to Venezuela you will see a direct correlation. They weren't producing anything but chickens and milk. Pretty much all their other food was imported.
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And this is a long long historical precedence in the country... This is why the Bolivarian government has put so much resources in the area of food production.
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Food production index (2004-2006 = 100) | Data | Graph

Here is more information on the agriculturual development program in Venezuela:
"In Brief: In 1999, at the start of its process of social transformation known as the Bolivarian Revolution, Venezuela became among the world's first countries to adopt a national policy of food sovereignty. Its newly reformed constitution guaranteed its citizens the right to food through a secure national food supply based on sustainable agriculture as a strategic framework for rural development, to be carried out through a series of laws, institutes, and programs. This move could be seen as a leap of faith for a highly urbanized country that had largely abandoned agriculture as it built its economy around its petroleum industry over the last century. And yet, against these odds, Venezuela has moved forward in its efforts to build food sovereignty, drastically cutting hunger while bolstering domestic food production. This has been carried out through a host of government programs, in partnership with communities, ranging from land reform to feeding programs to urban agriculture. Today, some of the most promising efforts toward food sovereignty in Venezuela are coming from citizen-run social institutions known as comunas, which are forging relationships and carrying out innovative projects across the urban–rural divide."
The Venezuelan Food Sovereignty Experiment | Solutions
 
Looks like Maduro is requesting emergency powers to tackle the economic crisis. Oy.

If a doctor fails to insert an IV line into me dozens of times, I request a new one, not give him the opportunity to take me to theatre.
 
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