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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain
    Sure they do. If you don't die in a raft running away from that hellhole as fast as you can.
    Maybe you shouldn't get in a raft then.
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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by E-M View Post
    Yah, I don't see any mainstream bias in favor of Cuba at all.

    It's always funny to see conservatives talk about the rafters coming to America as proof that Cuba is a hellhole. Do you guys just literally forget about Mexico entirely? The last time I checked that place was pretty capitalist, and there are a few people trying to get out of there too... like millions of them. Isn't it strange how conservatives will talk about illegal immigration all day, but only care about the economic condition they came from when the immigrants are from Cuba. It the worst kind of selective memory and hypocrisy.

    Add on top of it that the U.S. actively adds to Cuba's economic pain by putting up an embargo that absolutely no honest and informed person believes is about democracy and human rights. The embargo came directly out of a spat between Cuba and the U.S. about Cuba's domestic control of property rights shortly after Castro took power. Castro ended up nationalizing the U.S. companies in Cuba and the U.S. placed the embargo in response. The message: if you won't let our companies exploit and overcharge your people we will do our best to stop them from reaping the benefits. America is only keeping the embargo up because they are afraid of seeing another economic system succeed (its the only thing that explains why the U.S. can be buddy buddy is a much more repressive country like Saudi Arabia).

    That's not to say I'm Castro's biggest fan. He should have delivered on his democratic promises in the same way he did his economic one. The left will never be able to forgive him for that, especially considering how good that could have looked when combined to just how much he helped the poor in his country.
    Balseros (rafter) narrate their ordeal
    CUBA: Cubanos que lo arriesgan todo tirándose al mar. Sobreviviente narra lo acontecido. - YouTube

    In this video made by Martha Beatriz Roque, the balseros that survived the ordeal narrate the death of nine of the 27 Cubans, not five death and 23 balseros like was reported by the news media, that fail in their attempt to escape from the island of Dr. Castro.

    According to one of the women survivor, they left on December 1 on a home make raft. The next day when the GPS broke they became adrift and try to turn back but the raft capsized. They manage to righting the raft and drained the water, but lost the fresh water and food supplied. Five of the people that drank large amount of sea water when they were afloat became ill and eventually died, and when their bodies decomposed were thrown overboard. On December 9 near the Cuban coast two young men jump into the sea, disappeared and presume dead. When they reach the coast with one dead body on board, the raft hit the reef and wrecked, and two people drowned. Some of the survivors walk to a nearby road and asked a group of workers for help. They look for the rest of the survivors, give them water, rescue one the dead body, and took the 18 survivors to a nearby hospital. The workers, not the coast guards, aided the survivors. Do you really believe the statement that the regime is “undertaking an intense aerial search” for possible survivors or bodies? If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan
    According to one of the women survivor, they left on December 1 on a home make raft. The next day when the GPS broke they became adrift and try to turn back but the raft capsized. They manage to righting the raft and drained the water, but lost the fresh water and food supplied. Five of the people that drank large amount of sea water when they were afloat became ill and eventually died, and when their bodies decomposed were thrown overboard.
    This is expected when you have absolutely no experience in either constructing or sailing a boat.

    On December 9 near the Cuban coast two young men jump into the sea, disappeared and presume dead.
    This is expected when you jump into the sea.

    When they reach the coast with one dead body on board, the raft hit the reef and wrecked, and two people drowned.
    Maybe they shouldn't have gotten on a crappy built raft.
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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    There are no US embargo boats in the area to pick of some of these escapers and bring them to the US for sanctuary? Oh wait. People aren't noble like that.
    Did you read the article?

    It capsized off the shore of Cuba - the survivors were rescued and brought ashore in Cuba and given care there. They weren't in the US - likely not even in international waters - but they were rescued.
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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Balseros (rafter) narrate their ordeal
    CUBA: Cubanos que lo arriesgan todo tirándose al mar. Sobreviviente narra lo acontecido. - YouTube

    In this video made by Martha Beatriz Roque, the balseros that survived the ordeal narrate the death of nine of the 27 Cubans, not five death and 23 balseros like was reported by the news media, that fail in their attempt to escape from the island of Dr. Castro.

    According to one of the women survivor, they left on December 1 on a home make raft. The next day when the GPS broke they became adrift and try to turn back but the raft capsized. They manage to righting the raft and drained the water, but lost the fresh water and food supplied. Five of the people that drank large amount of sea water when they were afloat became ill and eventually died, and when their bodies decomposed were thrown overboard. On December 9 near the Cuban coast two young men jump into the sea, disappeared and presume dead. When they reach the coast with one dead body on board, the raft hit the reef and wrecked, and two people drowned. Some of the survivors walk to a nearby road and asked a group of workers for help. They look for the rest of the survivors, give them water, rescue one the dead body, and took the 18 survivors to a nearby hospital. The workers, not the coast guards, aided the survivors. Do you really believe the statement that the regime is “undertaking an intense aerial search” for possible survivors or bodies? If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
    I should have been clearer. I don't see overarching trends of of pro-Cuban bias in the media. To be honest I have no knowledge at all of the publication your quoting, and my post wasn't directed towards your OP specifically. I'm sure there are articles in existence that have an unfair pro-Cuba bias.

    However the media in this country has an overall anti-Cuba bias. This is because they pretend that the embargo is about democratic rights. However, as I have shown, it is absolutely clear that the U.S. upholds the embargo because they want to see a change in Cuban economic policy.

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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Most recent articles I can find about Cuba talk about how its getting better to lease land and raise cats. Not joking.
    Is it not getting better or something? What the **** is your point? LOL
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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    The Castros tyranny speaks of changes on one hand, but acts with strong arm against human rights initiatives on the other. It is astonishing that progressives couldn’t care less if Cubans are deprived of the civil rights they so passionately want for themselves.

    We cannot forget the thousands of Cubans executed without due process, imprisoned, perishing trying to escape in make shift rafts, forced into exile, since the reign of terror of the Castro brothers tyrannical monarchy started 53 years ago.

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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    18 Cubans arrive to Honduras after 10 days at sea18 Cubans arrive to Honduras after 10 days at sea - Yahoo! News

    AP – Tue, Dec 13, 2011

    TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (AP) — Eighteen U.S.-bound Cubans are in Honduras after spending 10 days at sea.
    Honduran immigration spokesman Jose Barahona says the Cubans arrived on the island of Guanaja in the Caribbean on Tuesday. He says they left from the Cuban coastal town of Manzanillo on Dec. 4.

    More than 1,200 Cubans have arrived in Honduras under similar circumstances over the last five years. Authorities often extend 15- or 30-day humanitarian visas to the immigrants.

    Many wind up continuing their illegal journey, hiring smugglers to take them to the United States. Cuba and Honduras re-established diplomatic ties in 2001 after a nearly 40-year break.
    Castros’ tyranny cosmetic reforms, praised in many articles by the mainstream media, practically have done very little for the Cuban people who actually experience them. Most of those articles imply the reforms are providing more freedoms, but the reality is that the people continuous to be oppressed by a regime which has practically no tolerance for dissent.

    The fact that the Cubans continues to risk their lived by throwing themselves into the sea on rickety rafts in order to escape the Castros tyranny, illustrates how ridiculous those reforms are.

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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Again the backdrop of the Castros tyranny “reforms” greeted by the mainstream media, Cubans continue to risk their lives to escape from workers paradise. Five more victims of the Castro brothers, the cause of this tragedy.
    But...but...but...they have great health care!
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    Re: Five Cuban rafters die at sea in attempt to leave country

    More frequently desperate Cubans are taking the long way off the island, escaping to Honduras, whose immigration policies have made it the hottest new heaven among Cuban refugees fleeing the Castros tyrannical regime. Due to the fact the many rafters get caught by the U.S. Coast Guard in the heavily patrol waters of the Florida straits, they attempt the risky voyage of 500 miles to Honduras than the 90 miles trip to Florida fleeing the Castros regime miserable human conditions, most of them seeking ultimately to get to the United States.

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