Chavez Says He May Seek 'Indefinite' Re-election - Page 2

RightinNYC · 05-09-06, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

This lie has been debunked, but I cant blame you for posting this thread. After all, you got your story from a respected mediawhore, FOX News, who in turn got their information from another mediawhore known as AP.

The true story is that the opposition, unable to strengthen their position honestly, threatened to pull out of the democratic process in Venezuela unless Chavez made some concessions to them. Chavez made every concession asked for, and the opposition went back on their word and pulled out anyways.

Chavez did not say he wanted a 25 year term. He merely stated that, if the opposition were to pull out, he would end term limits. There still would be an election every 6 years for the next 25 years, and he would run each term. This was an inducement to get the opposition back into the process. But dishonestly knows no bounds. Since the opposition cannot win a majority honestly in government due to their unpopularity, they pulled out of the process, then attempt to brand Chavez as a dictator.

I will say the magic word once more - Mediawhores.

Article is here.

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater here...no, Chavez isn't saying he's going to take over as a dictator, but he IS threatening to repeal term limits. Thats a pretty darn big story in and of itself right there....

Trajan Octavian Titus · 05-09-06, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

I certainly do not think unlimited tenure is a good idea, even if approved by popular referendum.

Cons -- how is your hero King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia doing

Who is the first president to form an alliance with the House of Saud? Oh ya . . . FDR, next.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 05-09-06, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

This lie has been debunked, but I cant blame you for posting this thread. After all, you got your story from a respected mediawhore, FOX News, who in turn got their information from another mediawhore known as AP.

The true story is that the opposition, unable to strengthen their position honestly, threatened to pull out of the democratic process in Venezuela unless Chavez made some concessions to them. Chavez made every concession asked for, and the opposition went back on their word and pulled out anyways.

Chavez did not say he wanted a 25 year term. He merely stated that, if the opposition were to pull out, he would end term limits. There still would be an election every 6 years for the next 25 years, and he would run each term. This was an inducement to get the opposition back into the process. But dishonestly knows no bounds. Since the opposition cannot win a majority honestly in government due to their unpopularity, they pulled out of the process, then attempt to brand Chavez as a dictator.

I will say the magic word once more - Mediawhores.

Article is here.

Good to see that you're defending the next Castro. Let's see since Chavez took power he has rewritten the Constitution, done away with the bi-cameral legislature in favor of a unicameral legislature, nationalized all major industries, packed the courts, and destroyed the freedom of the press, formed a giant militia with an allegiance to only him that is used to intimidate dissenters, and according to freedomhouse.org Chavez has all around reduced Venezuela from a free to a not free nation. How can you defend Chavez and call yourself a Libertarian? He is a god damn dictator in the works he's Castro with oil.

danarhea · 05-09-06, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RightatNYU

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater here...no, Chavez isn't saying he's going to take over as a dictator, but he IS threatening to repeal term limits. Thats a pretty darn big story in and of itself right there....

With all due respect, Chavez did not make himself dictator. It is his opposition which pulled out and whined because they could not win an election honestly, and were unable to maintain a successful coup to become dictators. All Chavez did was to threaten that, if they pull out of the political dialog, then he would remove term limits.

Also, even without term limits, the opposition can still run a candidate if they so choose. Thats more than the opposition were willing to do when they attempted their coup.

Fact is, like it or not, Chavez is a popular leader in Venezuela, and the opposition is not, but instead of taking on Chavez honestly, they attempt to overthrow the government, and now they whine because it didnt work, and now the majority in Venezuela see them for the Fascists they really are.

LeftyHenry · 05-09-06, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alphamale

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194519,00.html

Libs - what do you think of your hero now?

hmmm ever thought about reading the article? All he's saying is that if the opposition decides to be a bitch, he'll end term limits. It'll still be democratic. Big deal.

Tashah · 05-14-06, 11:16 AM

Moderator's Warning:

Moved to appropriate forum

Volker · 05-15-06, 03:11 AM

Oh, I see, the conservatives still lost it, before it was moved her :smile:

Chris · 05-21-06, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

The true story is that the opposition, unable to strengthen their position honestly, threatened to pull out of the democratic process in Venezuela unless Chavez made some concessions to them. Chavez made every concession asked for, and the opposition went back on their word and pulled out anyways.

Chavez did not say he wanted a 25 year term. He merely stated that, if the opposition were to pull out, he would end term limits. There still would be an election every 6 years for the next 25 years, and he would run each term. This was an inducement to get the opposition back into the process. But dishonestly knows no bounds. Since the opposition cannot win a majority honestly in government due to their unpopularity, they pulled out of the process, then attempt to brand Chavez as a dictator.

Well said

Chavez may not be an angel by any means, that said he is still a lot better than his opposition. Time and time again I here the media pouncing all over Chavez as some crazy, soon to be dictator, without anyone bothering to point out the contempt of his opposition for the democratic process.

Instead of plotting an ill conceived coup d'etat, the opposition should have taken their electoral defeat as a cue to reform their platform and do some house cleaning. For all his short comings, Chavez is a democratically elected leader and popular with the majority of the country's population.

As for the removal of term limits, so what? Here in Canada there are no term limits, yet are system still holds up fine.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 05-21-06, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

Well said

Chavez may not be an angel by any means, that said he is still a lot better than his opposition. Time and time again I here the media pouncing all over Chavez as some crazy, soon to be dictator, without anyone bothering to point out the contempt of his opposition for the democratic process.

Instead of plotting an ill conceived coup d'etat, the opposition should have taken their electoral defeat as a cue to reform their platform and do some house cleaning. For all his short comings, Chavez is a democratically elected leader and popular with the majority of the country's population.

As for the removal of term limits, so what? Here in Canada there are no term limits, yet are system still holds up fine.

Kettle meet pot prior to Chavez winning the elections he himself attempted a coup de'ta. While in office Chavez has done away with the bicameral legislature, rewritten the Constitution, used the new Constitution to pack the courts, eliminated the freedom of the press, and according to freedomhouse.org has reduced overall Venezuelan freedoms.

Vader · 07-14-06, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

I certainly do not think unlimited tenure is a good idea, even if approved by popular referendum.

Cons -- how is your hero King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia doing

Chaves needs a dirt nap!