Volker

These were no dictators, these were representants of the country. There were Soviet troops in the country, technically it was occupation, practically they were more allies.

Klement Gottwald was very authoritorian, this was in the fifties, his successors were not.

He was authoritarian, too, this was in the fifties, too.

He was mighty in his country, but it doesn't make him a dictator.


No, this is not true. There was an alliance and the Soviet Union sure was influential, the countries developed different ways and had their own politics.

Trajan Octavian Titus

They were dictators and puppets of Moscow Eastern Germany had no self determination they towed the soviet line.
He was a puppet and when he was removed the soviets invaded and installed another dictator, the country had no self determination again they towed the soviet line.

Again it was a puppet state that upon dissention was invaded.

Oh ya he was titled "president for life" but he wasn't a dictator. lmfao where do you come up with this stuff.

Bull**** only soviet approved leaders were allowed to reign and upon dissention from Moscow they were promptly invaded. An alliance? Are you ****ing kidding me? It was an occupation. Where do you get your history from the daily worker or Walter Duranty.

Bergslagstroll

First of all socialism isn't the same thing as goverment should own production. Instead is that the people should controle production yes for example through the goverment but also throug unions, cooperations etc.

Also it's clear that in Soviet, NorthCorea and other so called socialist countries was there a small elite that controlled most of the production just like in a capitalistic society and not the people.

If you then look for example Sweden we have had radical ideas about democratic socialism and econimacal democracy. That have been partly reached through strong unions and also by cooperation and goverment ownership. ABut at the same time capitalism still have a big influences.

Trajan Octavian Titus

In pure socialism trade unions are outlawed; furthermore, Marx stated that the means of production should be fully controlled by the dictatorship of the proletariate ie the state.

Ya as envisioned by Lenin's "revolutionary vanguard." Furthermore; the soviet union implemented every planket of socialism outlined in the Communist Manifesto.

sweden's economy tanked in the 90's and has been privatising ever since, regardless you were a third way nation not a purely socialist one.

Volker

You don't know about it and it looks like you don't want to know.

He has not been removed and the Soviets did not install a dictator.

To be a "President for life" doesn't make him a dictator.

Trajan Octavian Titus

lol dissent = invasion catch a ****ing clue.

Volker

Oh, I see, you want to go back to Latin American history, this is good.
Eastern European history became a little off topic in this place.

Trajan Octavian Titus

Que? Not only were those states led by dictators but their governments were centralized in Moscow and any dissent was met with invasion.

Volker

You know a lot of interesting stories, will you come to the point with UFO's soon?

Trajan Octavian Titus

sorry as I am a god recognition of E.T.'s would have a serious impact on my influence. Now bow down bitch,