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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The only one that matters.

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    Clearly that is not the "only one that matters"
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Clearly that is not the "only one that matters"
    I think he's meant that it's the only one that matters in deciding what is the capital of Israel and he's obviously correct as I've shown to you above.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I think he's meant that it's the only one that matters in deciding what is the capital of Israel and he's obviously correct as I've shown to you above.
    Still does not mean that 1.)International states have to recognize it as such and 2.)States must then move their embassy to the claimed capital.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Still does not mean that 1.)International states have to recognize it as such and 2.)States must then move their embassy to the claimed capital.
    1) I agree and I didn't say that they have to anywhere as far as I'm aware, sovereign nations have the right to recognize whatever they wish to. 2) Same as #1, once the US does move its embassy it'll be followed by many other natons.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    http://www.heller.senate.gov/public/...lem%20Bill.pdf

    What it says it that the only 50% of the funds available for those uses be made available until the embassy has been relocated. IMO, this bill was never intended to be passed, it was intended to raise awareness of the fact that the last three admins. have taken a pass on this and it's something that the LAW has demanded be done. So we either change the law demanding that the embassy be relocated or we relocate the embassy.
    I have mixed emotions about it too. There will be such intense resentment of relocating the embassy in Jerusalem that I think it might make our embassy personnel at higher risk. At the same time, I hate having our decisions made according to what terrorists demand. No easy answers on this one.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If the entire world outside the US decided that Washington D.C. is not recognized by them as the capital of the US, will it cease being the capital of the US? Obviously not.
    Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
    The two situations are not comparable.

    East Jerusalem is OPT and Israel has no legal claim to it under international law..................... Washington is not under a foreign military occupation and claimed , in part , by another people who reside in the same area and who see it as the capital of any future Palestinian state.

    The US is not Palestine/Israel and many people/nations tend to recognize this.

    The Palestinians are still there and wanting their homeland too............people/nations recognize this too
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    The two situations are not comparable.

    East Jerusalem is OPT and Israel has no legal claim to it under international law..................... Washington is not under a foreign military occupation and claimed , in part , by another people who reside in the same area and who see it as the capital of any future Palestinian state.

    The US is not Palestine/Israel and many people/nations tend to recognize this.

    The Palestinians are still there and wanting their homeland too............people/nations recognize this too
    Where did I mention the reason for the lack of international recognition in the hypothetical situation I described in which no one outside the US recognizes Washington DC as the capital of the US? I haven't mentioned any reason and haven't made such comparisons, the question was a rather simple one - whether or not that means Washington DC is no longer the capital of the US. It doesn't.

    As shown above the only way to dictate which city is the capital of the country is in the law of that country, it does not depend on international recognition as shown by the example of Washington DC. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and always will be.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Where did I mention the reason for the lack of international recognition in the hypothetical situation I described............................ .
    I'll stop you there for obvious reasons.................... read just the highlighted parts if you are unsure

    The two are not comparable for the reasons already given...................... East Jerusalem remains OPT and Israel has no legal claim to it , that's why hardly anyone aware of this recognizes the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    I'll stop you there for obvious reasons.................... read just the highlighted parts if you are unsure

    The two are not comparable for the reasons already given...................... East Jerusalem remains OPT and Israel has no legal claim to it , that's why hardly anyone aware of this recognizes the illegal annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel
    It doesn't matter as international recognition doesn't dictate what is the capital of what country. That was the point in case you've managed to miss it twice now.
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    Re: Senators Threaten to Cut Embassy Security If US Doesn’t Move Its Embassy to Jerus

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have mixed emotions about it too. There will be such intense resentment of relocating the embassy in Jerusalem that I think it might make our embassy personnel at higher risk. At the same time, I hate having our decisions made according to what terrorists demand. No easy answers on this one.
    Maybe you could shed a thought for how many deaths on both sides , Arab and Jew , such an incendiary decision would make instead of focusing just on US " embassy personnel "
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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