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    'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    In a final plea outlining the outgoing Obama adminsitration's vision for Middle East peace, John Kerry has said with the current situation, a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict is in jeopardy.The US secretary of state made the remarks in Washington DC on Wednesday, just hours after a senior member of the Israeli government called the planned speech "pathetic".
    The comments by Gilad Erdan, Israeli public security minister, were the latest in a bitter exchange following the US refusal to veto a UN Security Council resolution last week that called on Israel to halt all settlement activity in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.



    Plans by France to hold an international Middle East peace conference on January 15 is another point of worry for Israel.


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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution.


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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Posted elsewhere ...

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Kerry is speaking now.
    I haven't seen Kerry so animated as he defends the action against Israel ... so much more than anything he ever delivered against, oh I dunno, say, Iran.
    The other observation is that Kerry seems to place great dependence on the Arab officials who he said promised a new attitude toward Israel if only there was a Palestinian State.
    That reminded me of Kerry's relationship with Iran also.
    "One very rewarding opposition strategy has always been to make the mundane look unsavory and draw distinctions with the same behavior by their own team."

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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    I don't agree with John Kerry on much, but he's spot on with virtually everything in this speech.
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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    Another thing that Kerry said was bizarre.
    He went off on declarations about other UN resolutions supported by other Presidents that said the same thing as the one last week so what's the big deal.
    Well if that was true, then they never passed ... and if any of them did they couldn't have said the same thing or the last one wouldn't have been necessary.
    And on other points Kerry's recollection of history was a bit too cleverly & selectively constructed.
    Last edited by bubbabgone; 12-28-16 at 02:01 PM.
    "One very rewarding opposition strategy has always been to make the mundane look unsavory and draw distinctions with the same behavior by their own team."

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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    As long as Palestinians keep up the terrorist activities and there is doubt about their commitment to the existence of Israel the two state idea is outright silly. And the longer Palestinians refuse that, the less likely it is to come about, with more settlements being built.

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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    IMo, two state solution would not work anyway. Those people hate each other. Just let the strong take it and watch the genocide. THen, we can always rub in the fact that the Jews just committed genocide, and that the Holocaust is no longer such a big deal.

    win-win and time to move on.

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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I'm just not sure how much of a solution there can ever be here. Both sides are caustic to each other, and it seems that neither is really committed to ending hostilities. It's one of the reasons I think the US should have nothing to do with it. It's their problem, they don't want to solve it, we can't make them.

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    Re: 'Two-state Israel-Palestine peace solution in jeopardy'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Speech is still going on. Kerry is lambasting both sides in the conflict. However, this speech is sounding more like a eulogy for the two-state solution. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    I think many of the points he makes are valid.

    The continuance of the illegal settlements and their expansion is making the two state solution ever more unlikely.

    The US can , imo , force the issue of a two state solution , inline with the massive and long standing international consensus on the subject , if it stops acting like a shield against it. Maybe that time is approaching, even with the set back of a Trump administration
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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