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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Seems the UN has already come to a resolution on this matter.



    Odd, but this sounds a lot like the what just happened last week.
    And how does this House vote, 342 to 80, which seems to have had a lot of Democrat support affect Obama's anti-Israel move last week?

    House Passes Symbolic Resolution Renouncing Anti-Israel UN Vote - Breitbart

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

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    And how does this House vote, 342 to 80, which seems to have had a lot of Democrat support affect Obama's anti-Israel move last week?

    House Passes Symbolic Resolution Renouncing Anti-Israel UN Vote - Breitbart
    No idea. But I see this as yet another repudiation of Obama's poor foreign policy, decisions and actions.
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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    So, lets return to the 1967 borders. Give the West Bank back to Jordan, who illegally obtained the land through warfare. Give Gaza back to the Egyptians who illegally obtained the land through warfare.

    Oh, wait.

    Give the lands back to Britain. Um, no. They gained the land through warfare. Give it back to the Ottoman Empire.

    Nope, the don't exist. And they obtained the land through warfare as well.


    Hmmmmmm
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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Fair points. Though if Russia declared year after year, day after day, that it intended as its prime policy objective to wipe Wales and the Welsh off the map the laughter might have a nervous edge to it.
    I think , given your position as I see it , you might have gotten this bit wrong and meant if the Welsh were threatening to wipe the Russians out the laughter might appear different ?

    I think it's better to form judgements on actions and not declarations anyway, generally speaking.

    'International pressure' might, I concede, by helpful if it was not entirely directed at one side. Israel understandably fears that if it returned to 1967 borders it would be wide open to attack and that that imaginary entity the 'International Community' would do nothing to protect it. The lesson Jews have drawn from the 20th century is that they had best protect themselves because no one else will.
    I don't think international pressure is directed at only one side tbh

    As Less Biased said earlier , and I agree with them , if it appears that way, it might just be that Israel is , and has for a very long time now , in violation of international laws and conventions it has agreed ( by treaty ) to abide by and is violating them further whilst ignoring the whole raft of UN resolutions that has followed from that

    As Justabubba has already outlined , amongst others , Israel is by far the most militarily powerful state in the region , so the credibility of any threats need to be assessed imo. Likewise the threat Israel poses to other countries in the region should be considered

    And , as I pointed out earlier , there are proposals , that if they were to be the basis for a just , and it has to be just , resolution of the conflict the very threats cited today would surely diminish as a result of it.

    I don't blame the Jewish people for wanting to protect themselves and I support their right of self defence , what I don't support is the ongoing violations of the Palestinian people that have resulted from the establishment of the Israeli state. Have the Arabs made mistakes ? For sure they have. Should that mean that the Palestinian people are denied the right to freedom and self determination indefinitely ? Not in my book
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So, lets return to the 1967 borders. Give the West Bank back to Jordan, who illegally obtained the land through warfare. Give Gaza back to the Egyptians who illegally obtained the land through warfare.

    Oh, wait.

    Give the lands back to Britain. Um, no. They gained the land through warfare. Give it back to the Ottoman Empire.

    Nope, the don't exist. And they obtained the land through warfare as well.


    Hmmmmmm
    All of your examples predate the acceptance of the 4th Geneva Convention as an instrument to set the guidelines for international law and relations by its signatories. An inconvenient truth for you perhaps but that's how it is

    If you choose not to believe in adhering to things you have signed an agreement on or disagree with the wholly understandable use of laws designed at preventing conflicts and trying to keep a degree of international security in the world, the protections of the sovereignty of states and peoples , preventing human rights abuses you are free to do so. Some of us, however , have a completely different view
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    All of your examples predate the acceptance of the 4th Geneva Convention as an instrument to set the guidelines for international law and relations by its signatories. An inconvenient truth for you perhaps but that's how it is

    If you choose not to believe in adhering to things you have signed an agreement on or disagree with the wholly understandable use of laws designed at preventing conflicts and trying to keep a degree of international security in the world, the protections of the sovereignty of states and peoples , preventing human rights abuses you are free to do so. Some of us, however , have a completely different view
    So, when was the West Bank Palestinian?
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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So, lets return to the 1967 borders. Give the West Bank back to Jordan, who illegally obtained the land through warfare. Give Gaza back to the Egyptians who illegally obtained the land through warfare.

    Oh, wait.

    Give the lands back to Britain. Um, no. They gained the land through warfare. Give it back to the Ottoman Empire.

    Nope, the don't exist. And they obtained the land through warfare as well.


    Hmmmmmm
    Since going back isn't an option, forward is the only way.

    So either a two state solution, with an acknowledgement that the State of Israel has a right to exist, or a one state solution where 1/2 the population wants to kill the other 1/2 (not a recipe for a stable and peaceful state).

    The peace process is at the same stalled out place it's been since like forever, driven there by neither party willing to give even a little bit.
    From my view, the Palestinians need to come to grips with the reality that the state of Israel isn't going anywhere, and is here to stay.
    Once that step is taken, then progress might be made. But certainly not any until then.
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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    So, when was the West Bank Palestinian?
    Since well before the creation of the state of Israel
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    Since well before the creation of the state of Israel
    Twas British and before that the Ottoman Empire.
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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Twas British and before that the Ottoman Empire.
    Most countries in the world have , at one time or another , been under the jack boot of a colonialist power or part of an empire ( including your own ). You should know better than to push this moot point imo
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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