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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    "My aim is not to be consistent with my previous statements on a given question, but to be consistent with truth as it may present itself to me at a given moment. The result has been that I have grown from truth to truth." - Gandhi

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Seems the UN has already come to a resolution on this matter.

    United Nations Security Council resolution 446, adopted on 22 March 1979, concerned the issue of Israeli settlements in the "Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem".[1] This refers to the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as well as the Syrian Golan Heights.
    In the Resolution, the Security Council determined: "that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East"
    The Resolution was adopted by 12 votes to none, with 3 abstentions from Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_446
    Odd, but this sounds a lot like the what just happened last week.
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Do you think that Israel has the riight to buld new and expand older settlements on the West Bank?
    It didn't have the right to build any settlements in Occupied Palestinian Territories in the first place and it doesn't have the right to expand them either. They are all illegal under international law. The World Court decision on them , amongst other stuff , in 2004 confirmed the applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention to the conflict

    Israel as a signatory to that convention is thus bound by it.

    All illegal , all an obstacle to peace imo
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Actually they do. Throughout this planet's history, all nations have built settlements in the lands they conquered and managed to hold onto. Why should the middle east be any different. if we are going to demand that Israel back off, shouldn't we then ask every nation on the planet to vacate settlements from any land that they gained at any point in history by conquest? Virtually every border in Europe would change. Israel has been patient for over five decades now. Every time they have given up land to the Palistineans for the sake of peace, the rockets and suicide bombers are just moved in much closer to Israeli territory. At some point, Israel has every right to just say "Screw them!" This land is ours now.
    No they don't.

    The 4th Geneva Convention prohibits the acquisition of territory through warfare. Most people understand the sense in that position and most people understand that what predated it will have to stay as it is. You shouldn't try to back date the law , if that makes sense. It should do for obvious reasons
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Yes, for as long as Israel is threatened with obliteration by its neighbours and the wider Islamic world. Settlements are part of Israel's defensive strategy. The best defence is essential; no other country is under an equivalent threat of destruction.
    The threat has to be credible. For instance, if the Russians decided to invade and occupy Wales because they claimed it to be an existential threat to them, everybody would rightly belly laugh at the idea

    Deals have been struck with Egypt and Jordan. There's nothing to stop a just settlement to the Israel/Palestine conflict that would encompass the remaining Arab states . The Saudi Peace Initiative could, for example, offer such hope.

    I think that a big obstacle is that the political elites on either side are too entrenched and concerned about their own political aspirations to offer any real hope of a resolution to the conflict. That the only way might be for international pressure on both sides to force the issue.

    Up until now the US veto has prevented this and has nobbled what is a massive international consensus for a resolution of the conflict on the 1967 borders , the Two States solution.
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by oneworld2 View Post
    The threat has to be credible. For instance, if the Russians decided to invade and occupy Wales because they claimed it to be an existential threat to them, everybody would rightly belly laugh at the idea

    Deals have been struck with Egypt and Jordan. There's nothing to stop a just settlement to the Israel/Palestine conflict that would encompass the remaining Arab states . The Saudi Peace Initiative could, for example, offer such hope.

    I think that a big obstacle is that the political elites on either side are too entrenched and concerned about their own political aspirations to offer any real hope of a resolution to the conflict. That the only way might be for international pressure on both sides to force the issue.

    Up until now the US veto has prevented this and has nobbled what is a massive international consensus for a resolution of the conflict on the 1967 borders , the Two States solution.
    Fair points. Though if Russia declared year after year, day after day, that it intended as its prime policy objective to wipe Wales and the Welsh off the map the laughter might have a nervous edge to it.

    'International pressure' might, I concede, by helpful if it was not entirely directed at one side. Israel understandably fears that if it returned to 1967 borders it would be wide open to attack and that that imaginary entity the 'International Community' would do nothing to protect it. The lesson Jews have drawn from the 20th century is that they had best protect themselves because no one else will.

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    What international law would that be? Post a specific statute.
    The 4th Geneva Convention 1948

    Israel is not a signatory to any treaty preventing them from building settlements in conquered territories.
    Wrong, they are a signatory to............. The 4th Geneva Convention 1948
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If the palistineans ever gain nukes and are stupid enough to even think of using them against Israel, it would be a suicide move for the palistineans. Israel not only has nukes, they have the capability to destroy the palistineans with them, even if Israel is hit first.
    The proximity of the two would make a " nuke " attack " suicidal " if either side ever resorted to it
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    Re: Does Israel have the right to build more ettlements on the West Bank?

    Quote Originally Posted by ido_ View Post
    I think I'm well known here to oppose settlements, the resolution in the UN however is ridiculous, do you even understand how ridiculous it is?
    The UN resolution says that Jews are not allowed to live in the Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem
    And the Israeli governments enforce a situation whereby Palestinians can't build houses on certain areas of their own land.

    How " ridiculous " is that ?
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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