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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, but you're seriously downplaying antisemitism by claiming that Muslims in Western countries face today the same kind of stuff Jews have faced.
    And you're the one who brought up this ridiculous comparison with the Jews.
    Wrong, and wrong.

    I didn't bring any comparison with the Jews up. My post about the ailments facing Islamic culture was a response to this bigotry.

    And my response is as follows:

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    What about Trump's Muslim Registry? What about the ad-nausea comparisons between Trump's rise and Hitler's/Fascism's? What about Geert Wilders? What about the hate crimes against immigrants unfolding across post-Brexit Britain? What about the pervasive anti-immigration, anti-Muslim sentiment literally infesting European and Western politics, virtually all levels of Western culture, Western society, Western socioeconomic dimensions on almost literally every level? How is that any different from the antisemitism of the 1930's?

    Really, guy?
    And every. single. time you have responded to try to counter this you have not provided what I have: that would be:

    • Sources.
    • Essays.
    • Graphs.
    • Concise and lengthy lists of accounts of violence against Muslims.
    • You have failed to counter any of them with ANY of the above!


    To do so, so baselessly, while arguing such a controversial topic, is not only highly disrespectful, it is borderline delusional (speaking of which - I almost forgot - you called me insane for doing all of the above, good to know anyone who disagrees with you viewpoint is insane! Wonderful!!!)
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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Wrong, and wrong.

    I didn't bring any comparison with the Jews up. My post about the ailments facing Islamic culture was a response to this bigotry.

    And my response is as follows:



    And every. single. time you have responded to try to counter this you have not provided what I have: that would be:

    • Sources.
    • Essays.
    • Graphs.
    • Concise and lengthy lists of accounts of violence against Muslims.
    • You have failed to counter any of them with ANY of the above!


    To do so, so baselessly, while arguing such a controversial topic, is not only highly disrespectful, it is borderline delusional (speaking of which - I almost forgot - you called me insane for doing all of the above, good to know anyone who disagrees with you viewpoint is insane! Wonderful!!!)
    Graphs? Essays? Why, what claims did I make that you find dubious?

    And I called the comparison insane, it is.

    You said "How is that any different from the antisemitism of the 1930's?".
    This comment you quoted was in reply to mine saying there's no place for such comparison, and I stand by that, there's no place for that.
    You need to relax a bit that's for sure though.
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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by RetiredUSN View Post
    When Palestinian parents stop sending their babies out as walking bombs, then just maybe.................. they would deserve some compassion as a society.

    How many more of these threads are you going to make?
    The problem is that Israeli settlements are continuing to encroach on Palestinian land. The UN has just condemned Israel for this.
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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The problem is that Israeli settlements are continuing to encroach on Palestinian land. The UN has just condemned Israel for this.
    Factually that isn't true.
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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It's not an occupation and it's not foreign. The Pals. can leave any time they want to and move to another locale that is just as much a part of their ancestral homeland as the land they are currently occupying is. They could be a part of Israel, with the same rights/responsibilities as any other Israeli citizen if they would push their gov't to do so. They could also be one of the most prosperous nations around if their leadership wasn't stealing the money being sent to help them.
    That you can make such a statement in the above is remarkable imo

    Denying that there is an Israeli military occupation of Palestinian territories must put you in the tiniest minority view group on the planet. A group so small that it is able to hold its annual Christmas dinner gathering, sat around a table , in the back of a transit van.

    By your standard the French should have left France during the Nazi occupation and moved to other European states that were " just as much a part of their ancestral homeland " as France was

    I knew I should have put" sensible comments only" in that OP
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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    First of all Muslims are not an ethnic group.
    Demonisation is demonisation and it doesn't matter whether a group is being targeted by way of race or religion , so your wish to dismiss Abbazorkzogs comments on this subject is a fail

    Secondly there's no nation that rounds them up and gasses them, men, women and children alike in the millions in an attempt to remove them all from this world. Your comparison is simply insane.
    It took 2000 years for the Holocaust to materialize as the culmination of centuries of European antisemitism and it all started with the demonisation/scapegoating of Jewish people by Europeans. Your dismissal of a present case of another groups demonisation in Europe shows you don't actual care too much about it and possibly only if it is directed against your own group. I don't need to explain the moral bankruptcy of such a position
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Behave?
    Palestinians are Arabs((...................)) but not all Arabs are Palestinian.
    Why do you insist on such nonsense ?

    Nobody said all Arabs are Palestinians.

    The dialogue on peace talks between the members of state of Israel and the would be state of Palestine is a discussion between Jews and Arabs. That's what I meant and what was the only conclusion anyone not wishing to derail things would have come to.

    Your comment about " Americans being fat " was a ridiculous distraction , that's all.

    Not willing to admit that we are now forced to endure more rubbish along the same lines.

    Grow up




    Oh that's what I was waiting for, you're starting to open up about your real views on Jews. Great.
    Commenting that some of them look just like their European counterparts when some look like theyre from Arab origins means nothing accept a recognition of that fact.

    Your desperation is showing
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    What happened before the Holocaust? Tell me, because it didn't just instantly happen. BAM! Holocaust. No, people defended antisemitism, the same way you're defending Islamophobia.

    So, what are you going to do when some right-wing psychopath like Trump demands Israel start herding Muslims out of Israel in train cars and forcing them to sign up with a registry in which they will be forced to die by firing squad for being potential enemies of the state due to their religion?

    What are you going to do when Trump gets impeached or tried before the ICC for Crimes Against Humanity and NATO launches a humanitarian intervention into Israel in an international crisis that could've been avoided if only you'd taken off your partisan blinders for the sake of humanity?

    But, I digress. You claim in that post you quoted I was comparing it to the Holocaust. I did no such thing, if you'll go back and read that post, I said antisemitism not the Holocaust...

    ...big ****ing difference. Do your own research beyond what the State forcefed you in school.

    AGAIN -

    so you can't ignore it -

    I'll put it in big-ass, pretty letters, so you can't ignore it -

    I said antisemitism

    Not the HOLOCAUST.

    Antisemitism

    NOT

    HOLOCAUST!

    Jesus Christ, dude.
    Welcome to the strange world of Apocalypse debate lol
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No, but you're seriously downplaying antisemitism by claiming that Muslims in Western countries face today the same kind of stuff Jews have faced.
    What don't you understand about the part demonisation of a group of people within a society can play in the incitement to commit crimes against them ? The longer it is allowed to go on/supported encouraged the more chance that it will culminate in bigger and bigger crimes.

    You should not need to have this explained to you
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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    re: Palestinian Exceptionalism ? [W:81]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Factually that isn't true.
    Yes it is or you should explain why it isn;'t
    There never has been a peace process, but rather an annexation process that used the “peace process” as a facade

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