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washunut said:
If you are really an American your posts are interesting. America has been killing people all over the world for 15 years for what would be the equivalent of 40-50 Israeli lives if you adjust for size of population.

Not sure you are really that stupid. So what is the real reason you hate Israel for protecting itself like any nation would. What would you want your country to do if 4-5,000 rockets were to be fired into your city.
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The US has a problem with bad leadership that uses the military to do the bidding of oil companies.
Not the same as if random American citizens went and killed random people in restaurants. In fact, the only cases of that you'll find here, is Muslims killing random people, or wing nuts who took the wrong medication.
 
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apdst said:
It's the Muslims that start it, every time.
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The circle is a circle. We occupy lands, they get mad and bomb us, we respond with bombing, they respond with bombing, we respond with bombing, they respond with bombing....
 
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apdst said:
The Palestinians have rejected every peace deal.
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This thread has been moved.

Suffice it to say that it takes two to tango. This conflict has persisted for so long because both sides have contributed to that persistence.
 
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Ikari said:
Oh, I thought it was "for every Jewish civilian a Palestinian stabs or blows up, we will make another establishment upon their lands, exert more force against their people, and respond disproportionately with force in a manner that would never lead to peace."

This new tactic is rather interesting then. Seems quite the break with tradition.
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Nope, Israel just believes in fairness. In fact, they're also entertaining the possibility of allowing foreign internet debaters who don't actually understand the situation to enter Israel and kill the Jewish civilians themselves. However, proportionality is a must so they're doing it on a lottery system. Buy a lottery ticket and you could be one of those lucky winners!
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Lulz. Is that your final solution?
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Call it what you want. Israel should eliminate those terrorists. I don't care what your little PC feelings are :)
 
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calm said:
I would travel the world looking for anybody wearing an IDF uniform ..... not just a restaurant.

75 years of occupation is plenty long enough.

Israel kills Hamas supporters all over the world and they are not wearing any uniform or are not "Card Carrying" members of Hamas.

Calm
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Israel is 68 years old.

The scumbag that spree kill the people in the resturant did not differentiate between soldiers and citizens, if he were so carring about not killing citizens he would chose other place.
 
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Ikari said:
Personal insults won't make your arguments better.
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Fair enough. Take out the first sentence on the second paragraph, that was not proper. Now you can respond to the rest, if you choose.
 
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Cardinal said:
Nope, Israel just believes in fairness. In fact, they're also entertaining the possibility of allowing foreign internet debaters who don't actually understand the situation to enter Israel and kill the Jewish civilians themselves. However, proportionality is a must so they're doing it on a lottery system. Buy a lottery ticket and you could be one of those lucky winners!
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haha, the lottery is for people who are bad at math.

I do think that people should be able to defend themselves. But there are some actions of retaliation that don't contribute to solving a problem, but rather perpetuating it. I'm not absolving Palestine. It's just that after 60+ years if they haven't come to a conclusion, it's hard to say that either side wants the conclusion.
 
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11Bravo said:
Call it what you want. Israel should eliminate those terrorists. I don't care what your little PC feelings are :)
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I don't have any PC feelings, m'am.

I simply asked you a question.
 
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Ikari said:
The circle is a circle. We occupy lands, they get mad and bomb us, we respond with bombing, they respond with bombing, we respond with bombing, they respond with bombing....
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That's not true. Which Palestinian country Israel occupied?
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
I don't have any PC feeling, m'am.

I simply asked you a question.
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The answer is most certainly yes. All terrorists should be sent to their virgins :)
 
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NO1 said:
That's not true. Which Palestinian country Israel occupied?
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They have their settlements into the West Bank and other areas where they're just twisting the knife, sort of speak. It's why I claim both sides are responsible for the current quagmire.
 
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calm said:
I am just giving you my view ..... If I was a Palestinian, which I am not.

And, just as the Jewish Folks do and President Obama with his "Kill List", I would simply call it "Collateral Damage" and just say "Sorry".
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And you would still be a coward and a terrorist since civilians are not collateral damage, they are the target.

The French, the Norwegians, the Filipinos during WWII resisted their occupiers by targeting primarily military targets.

Not so the brave and honorable Palestinians
 
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calm said:
The Palestinians under international law have the Legal Right To Resist Occupation.

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By murdering civilians, yeah. Even where your prevaricating interpretation of the right to resist does not exactly cover such actions.

Next we'll have Paris shooters sanctified on account of having gone into battle towards the offense against their religious sensibilities.

So do you support terrorist activities or what?
 
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Ikari said:
haha, the lottery is for people who are bad at math.

I do think that people should be able to defend themselves. But there are some actions of retaliation that don't contribute to solving a problem, but rather perpetuating it. I'm not absolving Palestine. It's just that after 60+ years if they haven't come to a conclusion, it's hard to say that either side wants the conclusion.
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If your position relies on a proportionality of deaths as your metric for who's right and wrong, odds are very, very good that you're playing with an extremely narrow and removed understanding of a situation. However, I don't want to underestimate you. Let's hear your road map to peace.
 
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Interesting story, couple minutes after the shooting occurred , an Arab citizen who was in the resturent and manage to escape, reported to channel 2 about the situation. A thing that only can happened in Israel.
 
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There is still other moderation pending as well
 
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Cardinal said:
If your position relies on a proportionality of deaths as your metric for who's right and wrong, odds are very, very good that you're playing with an extremely narrow and removed understanding of a situation. However, I don't want to underestimate you. Let's hear your road map to peace.
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I'm not playing "who is right and who is wrong". I'm just merely pointing to the reality of the conflict.

There is no road map to peace in this conflict, not yet anyway. Neither side is pushing it. It would take a radical change in attitude on both sides to push for peace.
 
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Ikari said:
They have their settlements into the West Bank and other areas where they're just twisting the knife, sort of speak. It's why I claim both sides are responsible for the current quagmire.
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Can you answer the question? Or you can't?
 
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Ikari said:
I'm not playing "who is right and who is wrong". I'm just merely pointing to the reality of the conflict.

There is no road map to peace in this conflict, not yet anyway. Neither side is pushing it. It would take a radical change in attitude on both sides to push for peace.
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There is very much a road map to peace, it's just not an especially likely one in the present climate. In order to understand what such a road map entails you first have to have a basic understanding of the exact conflicts at the heart of the situation, how it started (that is very, very important), which parties are showing stubborness, and why, and how.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Especially considering the fact that this happened in Tel Aviv, which is highly secularized. Many Israeli restaurant and shop owners employ Palestinians as employees in Tel Aviv. Which is why I find it odd that terrorists would target it for murder. If there's one area of Israel where Israelis and Palestinians just try to get along, it's Tel Aviv.
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.........and if there's one area that finally always gets hit, it's Tel Aviv.

Where you reckon most of the bus bombings happened in the not so long ago last Intifada?

It's the same rationale on the side of the perps as hitting London rather than John o' Groats, Madrid rather than Cuenca or Paris rather than Clermont-Ferrand (not to mention NYC rather than Schenectady).

Only reason their kill rate is so relatively low per individual attack is that the other side is better at it than they are and almost just as fast.
 
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calm said:
How do you know that there was not an Israeli soldier and in uniform sitting in that eating establishment?

If only one single "targeted" IDF member dies, the rest is Collateral Damage.

"Sorry".

Calm
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Keerist :roll:
 
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Cardinal said:
There is very much a road map to peace, it's just not an especially likely one in the present climate. In order to understand what such a road map entails you first have to have a basic understanding of the exact conflicts at the heart of the situation, how it started (that is very, very important), which parties are showing stubborness, and why, and how.
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How it started is just some event over 60 years ago. I would say it's not very very important anymore. Maybe at the beginning, but not over 6 decades later. Both sides are being stubborn because neither side wants to give into the other.

This isn't a conflict that can be solved by waving some magic wand. It's not a conflict America can solve. We've tried for decades now, it's not working. We've had some of our best and brightest on this, trying to find a solution. It hasn't worked. This is something that persists because the parties involved wish it to persist.
 
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Ikari said:
How it started is just some event over 60 years ago. I would say it's not very very important anymore. Maybe at the beginning, but not over 6 decades later. Both sides are being stubborn because neither side wants to give into the other.
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I'm not talking about the founding of Israel, and when I go back to the past I'm not doing it for chuckles and grins. When Jordan invaded Israel in 1968 they did so from the superior strategic height of the West Bank, which overlooks the valley where Israel's industry and agriculture is completely vulnerable. The stressors on Israel's side is extremist Jews who believe all of the West Bank was given to them by God, while the primary stressor on the Palestinian side (there are several others) is the refusal to accept a sovereign, Jewish state. Barak responded to the former by freezing new settlements in 1994. However, so long as the Palestinians don't accept a Jewish state they will be in a de facto state of war. By pulling out of the West Bank before such recognition the valley to the West of the West Bank, and its population, industry and agriculture will once more be vulnerable to a militarily strategic high point.

As you can see, the history does in fact say something about what is required in the solution.

Ikari said:
This isn't a conflict that can be solved by waving some magic wand. It's not a conflict America can solve. We've tried for decades now, it's not working. We've had some of our best and brightest on this, trying to find a solution. It hasn't worked. This is something that persists because the parties involved wish it to persist.
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