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Hundreds of Palestinians laid off after boycott forced factory to move to Israel, Sod

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CJ 2.0 said:
On what basis?
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On the basis they had work permits and were allowed to work there....

You know why the permanent permits were not approved on the timeline requested by the company?
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Still havent heard a reason other than what Bibi's office said, ""The policy of the government is to give priority to the employment of Israeli workers."... Nothing about security concerns. But do you have another reason?

CJ 2.0 said:
Question: How many Palestinians had work permits in the 1990s? What did that say about "the nature of the occupation"?


Answer:
Notice how that's not actually an answer.
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I dont know how many work permits the Israeli government released in the 1990's. Do you? I simply just posted the number today.

CJ 2.0 said:
Right. So let me break this dow for you. Sodastream was going along fine. No issues with the Palestinians being allowed to work, and the Israeli government facilitated Sodastream's presence in the WB.
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Yup


So now the racist BDS morons
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This again? :yawn: Let me guess, "BDS is racist because I say so". You're like a broken record of talking points.

come along and force Sodastream to leave the Palestinian areas
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Wait! So you now admit that Israeli settlement this factory was located on and relocated last year are Palestinians land!? :rock

and it's the Jews' fault they don't bend over backwards to accommodate and deal with the negative consequences from the racist BDS morons' actions?
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This is really quite simple. The Israeli state granted them work permits, the 74 Palestinian employees have been working in the facility in Southern Israel for some time now, they're work permits are up for renewal, the Israeli state has the power to renew these permits for the 74 Palestinian employees, the Israeli state has not renewed these 74 Palestinian employees work permits....


It's like some crazy bizarro world where no matter what happens, no matter what the chain of events, if there are Israeli Jews involved the fault stops at exactly that moment along the chain where those Israeli Jews happen to be.
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It's like some crazy bizarro world where no matter what happens, no matter what the chain of events, if there are Palestinians involved the fault stops at exactly that moment along the chain where those Palestinians happen to be


It is, frankly, just sad.
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This is quite frankly, pathetic by you.
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Re: Hundreds of Palestinians laid off after boycott forced factory to move to Israel,

faithful_servant said:
Apparently you missed the timeline here.
First the Pals. decided to not go to work,
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Uhhh what? There was a strike involved? There was a international boycott involved..

THEN the work moved into Israel where they had workers,
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74 Palestinians kept their jobs when they moved factories from the illegal settlement to southern Israel last year

then the work permits were denied,
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The work permits were up renewal

since there was no need for the workers
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Thats not what SodaStream says, "The government of Israel somehow couldn't overcome their own bureaucracy or hard-headedness and figure out the tremendous challenge of enabling 74 good people... to continue to let them do what they have been doing," SodaStream chief executive Daniel Birnbaum told the news agency Monday. SodaStream lays off final Palestinian workers

and they showed that they were not the kind of workers that Israel could trust.
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Thats not true at all. You are lying here.

Now then, jump and down and scream about Israel.
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Wow... :doh
 
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nota bene said:
I don't know anything about the international boycott. What do you know about it?
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Well you have the geniuses at CodePink that are part of it
Boycott Sodastream | CODEPINK

They say "SodaStream enjoys cheap land and water, confiscated from the indigenous Palestinian owners; a captive Palestinian labor force; tax benefits; and lax regulation of environmental and labor protection laws."

So the 'captive Palestinian labor force just lost their jobs partly due to their efforts.

You also have these geniuses
https://adalahny.org/category/our-work/boycott-sodastream
Who say -
"SodaStream utilizes land and resources stolen from Palestinians and exploits Palestinian workers."

then theres
Burst The Bubble! Boycott SodaStream
who has some little vid clips saying pretty much the same thing.

To me it looks like it all backfired somewhat.
ok no factory in gaza and no jobs for Palestinians anymore either.

Well
 
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All this does is that the boycotters truly don't give a **** about the well being of the palestinians. Which, i always knew this, they hate israel, but not any of the other nations that persecute palestinians constantly. But, now it's public knowledge.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Of course it is. Your pathetic defense is along the lines, "well Palestinians are stabbing Israeli soldiers and citizens, so Israel is just trying to stop that by keeping Palestinians out of Israel"... THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING THERE.. They were already being let in Israel to work in the facility..
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They were working in the west bank, in an Israeli company located in an industrial area on area C.
Getting a permit to enter an industrial area on area C or a settlement for that matter is not the same as getting a permit to cross the border into Israel, those are different permits and I've explained that already, you seem to disregard that fact.

The fact that they worked in SodaStream is irrelevant.
Many Palestinians work in Rami Levi supermarket chain on different locations in the west bank, that doesn't mean they can be transferred to a branch in Tel Aviv.
 
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ido_ said:
They were working in the west bank, in an Israeli company located in an industrial area on area C.
Getting a permit to enter an industrial area on area C or a settlement for that matter is not the same as getting a permit to cross the border into Israel, those are different permits and I've explained that already, you seem to disregard that fact.

The fact that they worked in SodaStream is irrelevant.
Many Palestinians work in Rami Levi supermarket chain on different locations in the west bank, that doesn't mean they can be transferred to a branch in Tel Aviv.
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Goddamn.. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING IN SOUTHERN ISRAEL. The factory in the west bank closed last year.
Post #40: "Also these workers were already working at the new facility but the Israeli gov refused to expand their work permits beyond Feb.... "The 74 Palestinian workers moved to the new factory but the Israeli government refused to grant them work permits past the end of February, SodaStream said."
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Goddamn.. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING IN SOUTHERN ISRAEL. The factory in the west bank closed last year.
Post #40: "Also these workers were already working at the new facility but the Israeli gov refused to expand their work permits beyond Feb.... "The 74 Palestinian workers moved to the new factory but the Israeli government refused to grant them work permits past the end of February, SodaStream said."
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"None of this would have happened if Sodastream would not have closed its facility as demanded by 'activist'"", people with common sense said.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
"None of this would have happened if Sodastream would not have closed its facility as demanded by 'activist'"", people with common sense said.
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Remember the Israel government has the power to extend their work permits. They have refused to do so. You've pulled out every excuse you can, like a good apologist should
 
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israel; only functional republican democracy in the middle east
palestine; failed state which will become no less failed if it receives a tiny slice of israeli land

i think i know where i stand.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Remember the Israel government has the power to extend their work permits. They have refused to do so. You've pulled out every excuse you can, like a good apologist should
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Remember, none of this would have happened if those "pro-Palestinians" wouldn't have forced the company out of the industrial zone where it had employed hundreds of Palestinians.

Incidentally, I wouldn't extend those permits either. There are lots of folks in the Israeli south, Jews and Arabs alike, willing and able to do that work. Israel has zero responsibility to maintain employment in Israel for the Palestinians. No more reason to give them work permits than allow any other foreign national in to any country where the jobs can easily be filled by residents of that country (and in fact less considering the propensity of Palestinian workers to murder people, relative to foreign workers generally).

But of course we have one standard for Israel and one for every other country, so I see where you are coming from.

Once again, we have something that is entirely the fault of the Palestinians and their supporters leading to something they (and you) don't like, then blaming the Jews for not fixing it. Since it was in the power of the Jews to completely insulate the Palestinians from the consequences of their own behaviour, your thinking goes, it is the Jews' fault that the end result is the end result.

I know you view the Palestinians as helpless dependents, wholly reactionary to external stimuli and unable to exercise any agency of their own, but they can find jobs for themselves if they want to force out the Israeli businesses operating in the west bank.

Maybe they can get a portion of the money the PA uses to pay terrorists to help support their families? Maybe put some effort into lobbying the PA to divert funds from terrorists and their families?

Nah. Couldn't do that right? We got Israel to blame for stuff and nothing is worth diverting from that narrative.
 
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ludin said:
it actually depends on the criticism, however in this case this boycott group only boycotts companies
that do business with Israel or any Israeli business.

so yes they are anti-semetic.
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Wouldn't anti-semitic only apply if they were boycotting Jewish businesses, not simply Israeli ones?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Goddamn.. THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING IN SOUTHERN ISRAEL. The factory in the west bank closed last year.
Post #40: "Also these workers were already working at the new facility but the Israeli gov refused to expand their work permits beyond Feb.... "The 74 Palestinian workers moved to the new factory but the Israeli government refused to grant them work permits past the end of February, SodaStream said."
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Dem hi,
sorry you are correct. I heard him talking this morning in the radio, they already worked in Rahat
 
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Here is an idea that no one has yet tried. The 4th and 5th generation of the 'Palestians' living in 'refugee camps' could try setting up factories to make things for which there is a demand in the world. True, sales of the only product for which they are famous, genocide vests, might be a bit slow. But how about old fashioned alarm-clocks which can be used to make things happen at a preset time?
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Remember, none of this would have happened if those "pro-Palestinians" wouldn't have forced the company out of the industrial zone where it had employed hundreds of Palestinians.

Incidentally, I wouldn't extend those permits either. There are lots of folks in the Israeli south, Jews and Arabs alike, willing and able to do that work. Israel has zero responsibility to maintain employment in Israel for the Palestinians. No more reason to give them work permits than allow any other foreign national in to any country where the jobs can easily be filled by residents of that country (and in fact less considering the propensity of Palestinian workers to murder people, relative to foreign workers generally).
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Now we are getting to the real reason why they're work permits arent being extended. It wasnt the excuses you gave in the past posts, everything from "security", to "the time frame of the work permits". The real reason is this, "Palestinian jobs are held in a lesser standard than Israeli jobs". Glad you finally came out and admitted it.

But of course we have one standard for Israel and one for every other country, so I see where you are coming from.
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Nope. We dont.

Once again, we have something that is entirely the fault of the Palestinians
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Again, the Israel government has the power to extend their work permits. They have refused to do so. You've pulled out every excuse you can, like a good apologist should.

and their supporters leading to something they (and you) don't like, then blaming the Jews for not fixing it.
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I'm not "blaming the Jews for not fixing it". Those 500 jobs SodaStream had on the illegal settlement isnt coming back. Thats the nature and a consequence of the boycott, something the BDS movement will have to live with and deal with. Im blaming the Israeli govenrment for not extending the work permits of these 74 Palestinian employees that have been working in this new factory in Southern Israel.

Since it was in the power of the Jews to completely insulate the Palestinians from the consequences of their own behaviour, your thinking goes, it is the Jews' fault that the end result is the end result.
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So collective punishment? Wait a sec, thats a violation of human rights... Oh yea, Israel always does this practice.

I know you view the Palestinians as helpless dependents, wholly reactionary to external stimuli and unable to exercise any agency of their own, but they can find jobs for themselves if they want to force out the Israeli businesses operating in the west bank.
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Isnt that what these Palestinians did? Found a job, then the job moved, then the Israeli govenrment refused to extend their work permits?

Maybe they can get a portion of the money the PA uses to pay terrorists to help support their families? Maybe put some effort into lobbying the PA to divert funds from terrorists and their families?
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:yawn: This has nothing to do with terrorists..

Nah. Couldn't do that right? We got Israel to blame for stuff and nothing is worth diverting from that narrative.
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:lamo The good apologist.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Now we are getting to the real reason why they're work permits arent being extended. It wasnt the excuses you gave in the past posts, everything from "security", to "the time frame of the work permits". The real reason is this, "Palestinian jobs are held in a lesser standard than Israeli jobs". Glad you finally came out and admitted it.
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Dude, come ON. You may feel like it is ok to be blatantly manipulative in making up what other people say, but it isn't.

As far as work permits for non-Israelis in Israel, they should only be available where the jobs can't be filled by Israelis. And that's as true there as it is in Canada. Then of course we can ad the security concerns and everything else on top of it, and if I were Israeli I would much ratehr find a Vietnamese national to do work if you can't find an Israeli to do it as compared to a Palestinian.

Nope. We dont.
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Of course we do. Cause this wouldn't even be the slightest issue if a factory moved from Canada into the US and we Canadians got all hot and bothered because you wouldn't give all the Canadian employees work permits. And nothing wuld change even if you gave some Canadians temporary visa to facilitate the transition.

Again, the Israel government has the power to extend their work permits. They have refused to do so. You've pulled out every excuse you can, like a good apologist should.
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Why in hell should they? The Palestinians' "supporters" were "successful" in causing this employer to leave territories in which the Palestinians can work. Israel has no obligation, at all, to facilitate their entry into Israel to take jobs away from Israelis.

I'm not "blaming the Jews for not fixing it".
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Of course you are.
Those 500 jobs SodaStream had on the illegal settlement isnt coming back. Thats the nature and a consequence of the boycott, something the BDS movement will have to live with and deal with. Im blaming the Israeli govenrment for not extending the work permits of these 74 Palestinian employees that have been working in this new factory in Southern Israel.
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And why should they, exactly, if it turns out those jobs can be suitably filled by qualified Israeli employees?

So collective punishment? Wait a sec, thats a violation of human rights... Oh yea, Israel always does this practice.
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blah blah. Back to that old canard, eh? So the Palestinians bearing the consequences of their actions as a polity and having to bear the impact of the actions of their "supporters" is collective punishment unless the Jews completely insultae the Palestinians from any consequences?

Typical.

Isnt that what these Palestinians did? Found a job, then the job moved, then the Israeli govenrment refused to extend their work permits?
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So now go find a job in their "own" territory. They wanted it to be a bit less Jew free and now it is.

:yawn: This has nothing to do with terrorists..
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Right... so then since the PA has lots of money available to pay employment insurance benefits, perhaps they would want to take the money away from the terrorists they pay for being terrorists and instead cover the costs of these displaced employees?

:lamo The good apologist.
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you try to be, anyways, but wouldn't go so far as to rate you "good" at it...
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Which is absolutely fine, if not opportune. Enough with the absurdity that is for the occupied to subsidize the occupier.
 
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Gaztopian said:
Which is absolutely fine, if not opportune. Enough with the absurdity that is for the occupied to subsidize the occupier.
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Well, I'm not entirely clear how the Palestinians were subsidizing the Israelis when an Israeli company was paying Palestinians a living wage for their work, but frankly, it does seem to be a win-win for all: The Palestinians are better off because there are fewer Jews in the West Bank, and Israelis get more employment because the factory is relocated to Israel.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Now we are getting to the real reason why they're work permits arent being extended. It wasnt the excuses you gave in the past posts, everything from "security", to "the time frame of the work permits". The real reason is this, "Palestinian jobs are held in a lesser standard than Israeli jobs". Glad you finally came out and admitted it.


Nope. We dont.


Again, the Israel government has the power to extend their work permits. They have refused to do so. You've pulled out every excuse you can, like a good apologist should.


I'm not "blaming the Jews for not fixing it". Those 500 jobs SodaStream had on the illegal settlement isnt coming back. Thats the nature and a consequence of the boycott, something the BDS movement will have to live with and deal with. Im blaming the Israeli govenrment for not extending the work permits of these 74 Palestinian employees that have been working in this new factory in Southern Israel.


So collective punishment? Wait a sec, thats a violation of human rights... Oh yea, Israel always does this practice.


Isnt that what these Palestinians did? Found a job, then the job moved, then the Israeli govenrment refused to extend their work permits?


:yawn: This has nothing to do with terrorists..


:lamo The good apologist.
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One thing I find particularly baffling about your position in this thread is why you should have a problem at all with the factory relocating to Israel and hiring Israeli citizens. In a two state solution, in which Israeli fully withdraws from the West Bank, did you believe that the Israeli factory would remain there, continuing to be Israeli-owned and hiring Palestinian workers? Did you think that if the factory inevitably relocated in the event of a two state solution that its owners would subsequently hire Palestinians again? Why aren't you saying, "Score one for BDS, it's Miller time?"
 
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Cardinal said:
One thing I find particularly baffling about your position in this thread is why you should have a problem at all with the factory relocating to Israel and hiring Israeli citizens. In a two state solution, in which Israeli fully withdraws from the West Bank, did you believe that the Israeli factory would remain there, continuing to be Israeli-owned and hiring Palestinian workers? Did you think that if the factory inevitably relocated in the event of a two state solution that its owners would subsequently hire Palestinians again? Why aren't you saying, "Score one for BDS, it's Miller time?"
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You seriously think that 75 Palestinian being able to work in Israel in anyway further advances the goal of a two state solution?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You seriously think that 75 Palestinian being able to work in Israel in anyway further advances the goal of a two state solution?
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Can you please answer the question?
 
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Cardinal said:
Can you please answer the question?
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sure.

Cardinal said:
In a two state solution, in which Israeli fully withdraws from the West Bank, did you believe that the Israeli factory would remain there, continuing to be Israeli-owned and hiring Palestinian workers?
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Maybe. And this question doesnt much matter because the location is still an illegal settlement. Its not like the land was actually transferred in any fashion to a future Palestinian state.

Did you think that if the factory inevitably relocated in the event of a two state solution that its owners would subsequently hire Palestinians again?
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Yes.

Why aren't you saying, "Score one for BDS, it's Miller time?"
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Ive already recognized this point like 3 times before. "Consequences the BDS movement will have to live with if their overreaching goal is to end occupation."
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
sure.


Maybe. And this question doesnt much matter because the location is still an illegal settlement. Its not like the land was actually transferred in any fashion to a future Palestinian state.
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Maybe? You think there would be any realistic outcome in which an Israeli company would be permitted to operate in a future Palestinian state? Or, for that matter, that an Israeli company would willingly choose to remain there, trusting its security to a government that loathes them? That does not seem...plausible.

Yes.
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Why? Why would they do that? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

Ive already recognized this point like 3 times before. "Consequences the BDS movement will have to live with if their overreaching goal is to end occupation."
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Well, it seems a bit more than "consequences" if the targets involve numerous companies hiring Palestinian workers, and more "guaranteed outcome." There are quite a few businesses employing Palestinians in occupied territory. If the boycotts are successful then those businesses are going to move and those Palestinians will have to find other work. We can argue about whether or not that's a good thing (and my position would be that it's moot), but regardless, it seems pretty much inevitable.
 
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Cardinal said:
Maybe? You think there would be any realistic outcome in which an Israeli company would be permitted to operate in a future Palestinian state?
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Yes. As long as they're pay taxes to the Palestinian state and not the Israeli...

Or, for that matter, that an Israeli company would willingly choose to remain there, trusting its security to a government that loathes them? That does not seem...plausible.
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That loathes them?

Why? Why would they do that? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Same reason why many colonial companies stayed in their past territories that were once considered "occupied"... See South Africa for example.

Well, it seems a bit more than "consequences" if the targets involve numerous companies hiring Palestinian workers, and more "guaranteed outcome." There are quite a few businesses employing Palestinians in occupied territory. If the boycotts are successful then those businesses are going to move and those Palestinians will have to find other work. We can argue about whether or not that's a good thing (and my position would be that it's moot), but regardless, it seems pretty much inevitable.
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So Israel is going to repeal all work permits? I find that hard to exist, especially since Palestinians are considered "cheap labor" in Israel.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Yes. As long as they're pay taxes to the Palestinian state and not the Israeli...
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That loathes them?
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LOL. Okay, thedemsocialist...

Same reason why many colonial companies stayed in their past territories that were once considered "occupied"... See South Africa for example.
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TheDemSocialist said:
So Israel is going to repeal all work permits? I find that hard to exist, especially since Palestinians are considered "cheap labor" in Israel.
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