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Cardinal said:
I was imprecise, so I would include two alternatives: 1) While you would not be antisemitic to criticize Israel, you would be antisemitic to adopt a categorically Israel-critical position (after all, I have criticized Israel so it would be unfair to automatically level that accusation against others), and 2)You might not be anti-semitic. You just might be ignorant.
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Well those are some wonderfully biased opinions on the political beliefs of others you have there.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Second, why is criticizing Israel antisemitic if that criticism is not related to its Jewish roots and population?
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It's propaganda to dissuade criticism of Israel.
 
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Ikari said:
Well those are some wonderfully biased opinions on the political beliefs of others you have there.
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And that's a wonderfully substance-less post you have there.
 
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Cardinal said:
And that's a wonderfully substance-less post you have there.
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It seemed like the theme here.
 
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Ikari said:
It's propaganda to dissuade criticism of Israel.
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What a wonderfully biased opinion you have there. It's almost as if you've made no effort to so much as visit Wikipedia to get even the simplest understanding of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Maybe you would be better suited to sharing with us how you keep your linens so white.
 
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Cardinal said:
No, categorical (one sided) criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. Or ignorant. Either way it requires ignoring the problems from the Palestinian side, as demonstrated by your post.
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Look mate, I'm not going to qualify or counterbalance every last post of mine that's critical of Israel with an itemization of Hamas barbarism and the like; that's silly. I can acknowledge Palestinian culpability without having to bring up their missteps every single time I focus on the sins of their counterparty.
 
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Cardinal said:
What a wonderfully biased opinion you have there. It's almost as if you've made no effort to so much as visit Wikipedia to get even the simplest understanding of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Maybe you would be better suited to sharing with us how you keep your linens so white.
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Yes, the common tactic here, resort to ad homs and insults.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Look mate, I'm not going to qualify or counterbalance every last post of mine that's critical of Israel with an itemization of Hamas barbarism and the like; that's silly. I can acknowledge Palestinian culpability without having to bring up their missteps every single time I focus on the sins of their counterparty.
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Your previous posts suggests you cannot, at least not substantively. Perhaps you can prove me wrong. I'll wait.
 
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Ikari said:
Yes, the common tactic here, resort to ad homs and insults.
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Not insulting at all. You seem consistently unable to offer anything of substance to the discussion so I'm offering other avenues for you to contribute something...anything at all. If not how you keep your linens so white, how do you remove that annoying calcium buildup around the faucet?
 
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Cardinal said:
Your previous posts suggests you cannot, at least not substantively. Perhaps you can prove me wrong. I'll wait.
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Beyond the scope of this thread, but yes, I acknowledge the contribution of Palestinian radicals and terrorists to the impasse as I do their Israeli right wing counterparts; both of whom love war and perpetual conflict as a means of remaining in and consolidating power and furthering their respective agendas built upon on hatred, prejudice and terror.
 
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Cardinal said:
Not insulting at all. You seem consistently unable to offer anything of substance to the discussion so I'm offering other avenues for you to contribute something...anything at all. If not how you keep your linens so white, how do you remove that annoying calcium buildup around the faucet?
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The only thing you offered was that dissent is anti-Semitism. Those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Look mate, I'm not going to qualify or counterbalance every last post of mine that's critical of Israel with an itemization of Hamas barbarism and the like; that's silly. I can acknowledge Palestinian culpability without having to bring up their missteps every single time I focus on the sins of their counterparty.
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Yet if you start a movement to boycott anything made by the Jews of Israel but subscribe to the Hamas jell-o of the month club, if you ban Israelis from your insititutions but support the "martyrs" with your fundraising, that would be something different, wouldn't it?

And if you only pick the Jews' country to target for boycott when there are dozens and dozens of countries that are worse than Israel, and where the goals of the boycott movement are the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state, it doesn't take a genius to understand rank hypocrisy and racism that motivates that set of decisions.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Yet if you start a movement to boycott anything made by the Jews of Israel but subscribe to the Hamas jell-o of the month club, if you ban Israelis from your insititutions but support the "martyrs" with your fundraising, that would be something different, wouldn't it?
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Funding/supporting Hamas is unacceptable, period.

And if you only pick the Jews' country to target for boycott when there are dozens and dozens of countries that are worse than Israel, and where the goals of the boycott movement are the elimination of Israel as a Jewish state, it doesn't take a genius to understand rank hypocrisy and racism that motivates that set of decisions.
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Look, you've got to pick a cause when making a time investment; you simply can't solve all the world's problems simultaneously. For some people the question of Israel is more important to them than Iran, China, Russia, etc... That's why certain people donate millions of dollars or thousands of man hours to say AIPAC and politicians who support Israel rather than the legitimately destitute within their own borders, or elsewhere.
 
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Cardinal said:
I think if we took a poll, the weight of voices sympathetic to the boycott Israel movement would be overwhelmingly left leaning. I'm not unaware of the discomfort of sharing a position with the same people who tend to spontaneously erupt into songs of "Bomb bomb bomb Iran."
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I'm not saying it wouldn't be, but I think the number of people in favor of it overall would be pretty tiny.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Funding/supporting Hamas is unacceptable, period.
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ok, so we're getting somewhere. Forget about Hamas. Forget about comparing Israel to any of its neighbors.

Where are the calls to boycott Turkey over Cyprus? China over its systematic human rights violations? Egypt for the "coup"? Saudi Arabia for its repression of women and murder of gays?

All we see are concerted efforts by hyper-partisans who use explicitly anti-semetic language to mobilize for a boycott of the only state where the Jews protect themselves, with the intensity of advocacy increasing every time Hamas murders too many Jews and starts an open conflict.

Now think about why.


Look, you've got to pick a cause when making a time investment; you simply can't solve all the world's problems simultaneously. For some people the question of Israel is more important to them than Iran, China, Russia, etc... That's why certain people donate millions of dollars or thousands of man hours to say AIPAC and politicians who support Israel rather than the legitimately destitute within their own borders, or elsewhere.
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OF COURSE IT IS. because Israel is full of Jews, while Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. are not.

Look, do I have an issue with the misogynistic racists who are of Arab descent shouting antisemetic claptrap and pushing for a boycot of the Jews? Well yes, but I get it. They have skin in the game and in their mind there is nothing wrong with gassing the Jews.

But for the stupid moronic westerners who support these efforts and sign onto the BDS movement, the motivations are a combination of racism against Jews and ignorance. Nothing more, nothing less.

And no one gets a pass on racism because they fell into it on account of being an idiot.
 
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Kobie said:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be, but I think the number of people in favor of it overall would be pretty tiny.
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In the US, probably. In Europe, well that's a different story. The leftists there are an entirely different kettle of fish.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
ok, so we're getting somewhere. Forget about Hamas. Forget about comparing Israel to any of its neighbors.

Where are the calls to boycott Turkey over Cyprus? China over its systematic human rights violations? Egypt for the "coup"? Saudi Arabia for its repression of women and murder of gays?

All we see are concerted efforts by hyper-partisans who use explicitly anti-semetic language to mobilize for a boycott of the only state where the Jews protect themselves, with the intensity of advocacy increasing every time Hamas murders too many Jews and starts an open conflict.

Now think about why.
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These are all causes that have been taken up, including by people who find fault with the government and policy of Israel.

OF COURSE IT IS. because Israel is full of Jews, while Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc. are not.

Look, do I have an issue with the misogynistic racists who are of Arab descent shouting antisemetic claptrap and pushing for a boycot of the Jews? Well yes, but I get it. They have skin in the game and in their mind there is nothing wrong with gassing the Jews.

But for the stupid moronic westerners who support these efforts and sign onto the BDS movement, the motivations are a combination of racism against Jews and ignorance. Nothing more, nothing less.

And no one gets a pass on racism because they fell into it on account of being an idiot.
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No, they're not. That is an oversimplification (and ironically a prejudicial one); people see injustice in the administration and conduct of Israel and they speak out against it, just as they do vis a vis China, Russia, etc... I'm sure that many if not most of those who protest Israel also do the same with respect to other far less reputable regimes.

You can damn well bet that I am not zeroed in on Israeli impropriety; China and Russia are more important to me, but that doesn't mean Israel gets a free pass.
 
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Surrealistik said:
These are all causes that have been taken up, including by people who find fault with the government and policy of Israel.



No, they're not. That is an oversimplification; people see injustice in the administration and conduct of Israel and they speak out against it, just as they do vis a vis China, Russia, etc... I'm sure that many if not most of those who protest Israel also do the same with respect to other far less reputable regimes.
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I do not believe that is true. There is a reason why these "boycott" campaigns only relate to the Jews.

You can damn well bet that I am not zeroed in on Israeli impropriety; China and Russia are more important to me, but that doesn't mean Israel gets a free pass.
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See and I am not saying it should. Only that the entire BDS campaign is founded on antisemitism, an antisemetic intent, and is staffed and motivated by those stepped in antisemitism. And it succeeds in gaining mass while other awareness issues of various minor conflicts do not because the conflict in Israel involves Jews, while minor conflicts in other areas do not.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
I do not believe that is true. There is a reason why these "boycott" campaigns only relate to the Jews.
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Is it because Palestine doesn't produce anything to boycott?
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
In the US, probably. In Europe, well that's a different story. The leftists there are an entirely different kettle of fish.
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I've seen anti-Semitism coming from both sides in Europe, which is pretty scary.
 
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Ikari said:
Is it because Palestine doesn't produce anything to boycott?
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Think bigger chief. I'm not comparing the treatment of the jews to the treatment of the Palestinians (that's a whole other subject with its own ridiculous double standard and enmity to the jews).

I'm comparing the attention the Jews get compared to the attention a thousand similar minor conflicts get. I'm comparing the radical vehemence of boycott pushes among the left against Israel compared to Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Russia or China or Burma or anywhere else.

Only when the Jews are involved does the radical left feel like they need to Do Something and that doing something just so happens to be a boycott of businesses involving Israelis.

Replace Israeli and jew (which incidentally the BDS movement continues to do) and we've seen this story before.
 
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Kobie said:
I've seen anti-Semitism coming from both sides in Europe, which is pretty scary.
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There really is no future for Jews in Europe. It comes from the left and right and is firmly entrenched in mainstream thought. Which again is why this obsessive focus on the Jews and catching the Jews doing wrong in Israel is such an obsession among all strata of European society.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
I do not believe that is true. There is a reason why these "boycott" campaigns only relate to the Jews.
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They relate to Israeli which incidentally contains many Jewish people. That said, these boycotts are far from the only campaigns and protests such politically active people are involved in; you may not believe this but it is true.

See and I am not saying it should. Only that the entire BDS campaign is founded on antisemitism, an antisemetic intent, and is staffed and motivated by those stepped in antisemitism. And it succeeds in gaining mass while other awareness issues of various minor conflicts do not because the conflict in Israel involves Jews, while minor conflicts in other areas do not.
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I disagree with your assessment of the BDS campaign; I agree with Finklestein's critiques in that some of the leadership has inane objectives.

Further, the question of Israel is not a minor one and directly involves the US, so its prominence is very understandable. I would also assert that tensions with Russia and China are given at least as much attention; keep in mind that your perspective may be skewed by your own focus on Israel.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Think bigger chief. I'm not comparing the treatment of the jews to the treatment of the Palestinians (that's a whole other subject with its own ridiculous double standard and enmity to the jews).

I'm comparing the attention the Jews get compared to the attention a thousand similar minor conflicts get. I'm comparing the radical vehemence of boycott pushes among the left against Israel compared to Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Russia or China or Burma or anywhere else.

Only when the Jews are involved does the radical left feel like they need to Do Something and that doing something just so happens to be a boycott of businesses involving Israelis.

Replace Israeli and jew (which incidentally the BDS movement continues to do) and we've seen this story before.
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I'd boycott the whole lot of them. Except that SA has the oil and that one is hard to boycott.

I don't think we should really be in the business of nation building or supporting other nations and such, not when we have a whole slew of problems at home we need to solve. Giving money away like it's water unless we're looking at spending on our own people.

At the same accord, I don't see this global conspiracy against the Jewish people.
 
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Cardinal said:
As someone who fully supports the right of Israel to exist as its own sovereign state, people may be surprised to learn that I also fully support antisemites (yes, the boycott is thoroughly antisemitic)
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So its anti-semetic because you say so?

boycotting everything that comes out of Israel. But only if they really mean it.
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But thats now what they are boycotting. Its a targeted strategy: Consumer Boycott | BDSmovement.net
 
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