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TheDemSocialist said:
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I guess that is an easy way to hamper the BDS movement. Take away local governments powers, and student unions power to openly boycott... Pretty big slap on democratic freedoms... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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I have no problem with private boycotts of any store, company, or country for any reason. But publicly funded organizations and local political bodies shouldn't have that authority, it should remain the purview of national foreign policy.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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I guess that is an easy way to hamper the BDS movement. Take away local governments powers, and student unions power to openly boycott... Pretty big slap on democratic freedoms... [/FONT][/COLOR]
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As someone who fully supports the right of Israel to exist as its own sovereign state, people may be surprised to learn that I also fully support antisemites (yes, the boycott is thoroughly antisemitic) boycotting everything that comes out of Israel. But only if they really mean it.

So you want to boycott Israel?

So your organization has decided to boycott all products and services from Israel. Here is a list of activities that you now need to perform in order to comply with this boycott.

Part One – Technology and Food

First, remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel.

Note that the revolutionary new Ivy Bridge processor will be manufactured in Israel. Any computers running the Windows XT operating system must be turned off immediately as this was developed in Israel. All current Microsoft operating systems are not to be used as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre.

Step 2. Any computers that still work need to have their anti-virus software and personal firewalls removed as this technology originated in Israel. The organisation’s firewall will also need to be switched off. Staff should no longer open external emails as most of these will be infected with viruses. No outgoing emails can be sent. The algorithm (code) that’s used today for sending e-mails, was made by an Israeli who worked at the Ben-Gurion University in Be’er-Sheva in 1980.

Step 3. Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, where the first mobile phones were manufactured. Mobile chip technology from a single Israeli company has now been installed in over 100 million devices. Only top-level staff may retain mobile phones for emergency situations. However the use of SMS (Texting) is expressly forbidden as this facility was developed in Israel. No 4G devices can be used, as the chipset is Israeli.

Step 4. Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages. Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system. If someone you do not know answers your phone-call, then hang up. Israeli call-centres and call-centre technology is in widespread operation in the UK.

Step 5. Before accepting any printed material, check that the supplier has not used the Israeli device that might have saved up to 50% of the ink used.
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You'll also have to give up a huge swath of modern medicine, so get to it! Show us you really mean it!
 
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I would also add that any anti-Semites living in California would be well advised to leave in the immediate future, seeing as that state is looking into building desalination plants to deal with its burgeoning water crisis. Made by Israeli companies.
 
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Is the only reason one would want to boycott Israel be because they are anti-Semites?
 
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Ikari said:
Is the only reason one would want to boycott Israel be because they are anti-Semites?
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Yes.


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Ikari said:
Is the only reason one would want to boycott Israel be because they are anti-Semites?
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Naw, one could also just be a huge ****ing hypocrite that faults the good for not being perfect while letting the truly bad slide by with little or no comment (totally not saying that about anyone in particular, just saying that is another possibility).
 
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QuadpolarNutjob said:
can we get a show of hands of lefties who are boycotting gasoline because OPEC nations behead homosexuals? but, let's boycott israel, because hating the jew is apparently a cyclical fashion statement.
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Let's get a show of hands of "lefties" who are "boycotting Israel." I'd say the vast, vast majority of "lefties" think the idea is asinine.
 
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Apocalypse said:
It's nice that they're saying it, but it doesn't make it so. For example the boycotting of Matisyahu's concert mentioned and discussed above was a clear case of anti-Semitism by the BDS movement and its members as the artist isn't even an Israeli citizen.

The BDS movement is anti-Semitic TDS, and that is indisputable really. No one who opposes racism can truly support a movement that represents modern antisemitism in its clearest form. Even when we set aside the lies and the propaganda and all the nonsense, we're dealing with a movement that has a declared goal to change the Jewish character of Israel, that constantly and consistently chants antisemitic slogans in its "demonstrations" and has ties to genocidal antisemitic terror organizations and organizations that support such terror groups. It should be opposed by every single decent person, period.
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I would have no problem boycotting Matisyahu, since I saw him live once and he was awful.
 
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Kobie said:
Let's get a show of hands of "lefties" who are "boycotting Israel." I'd say the vast, vast majority of "lefties" think the idea is asinine.
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I think if we took a poll, the weight of voices sympathetic to the boycott Israel movement would be overwhelmingly left leaning. I'm not unaware of the discomfort of sharing a position with the same people who tend to spontaneously erupt into songs of "Bomb bomb bomb Iran."
 
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Cardinal said:
Yes.


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Interesting. I think this is more just a biased opinion than fact, but I guess we try to pass those off as facts these days.
 
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Ikari said:
Interesting. I think this is more just a biased opinion than fact, but I guess we try to pass those off as facts these days.
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I was imprecise, so I would include two alternatives: 1) While you would not be antisemitic to criticize Israel, you would be antisemitic to adopt a categorically Israel-critical position (after all, I have criticized Israel so it would be unfair to automatically level that accusation against others), and 2)You might not be anti-semitic. You just might be ignorant.
 
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Kobie said:
Let's get a show of hands of "lefties" who are "boycotting Israel." I'd say the vast, vast majority of "lefties" think the idea is asinine.
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I'm not boycotting Israel, but I would have no problem with such a boycott. I also have no problem with people boycotting goods made in other countries filled with human rights violations. The problem, however, with such boycotts is that nearly every country, including the United States, is filled with human rights violations so you would have to boycott pretty much everyone if you don't want to give money to unethical governments.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
What about my democratic freedoms to refuse to deal with black people?
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Those are restricted in the USA by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
 
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Cardinal said:
I was imprecise, so I would include two alternatives: 1) While you would not be antisemitic to criticize Israel, you would be antisemitic to adopt a categorically Israel-critical position (after all, I have criticized Israel so it would be unfair to automatically level that accusation against others), and 2)You might not be anti-semitic. You just might be ignorant.
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This doesn't make any sense. First, what is a "categorically Israel-critical position" and how is it different from regular old criticism of Israel? Second, why is criticizing Israel antisemitic if that criticism is not related to its Jewish roots and population?
 
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shrubnose said:
Those are restricted in the USA by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
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Yes, which according to the logic at play in this thread would be a violation of our "democratic freedoms".

Incidentally I obviously agree that this sort of discrimination is wrong. And so do most others here, until we get to talking about discriminating against the Jews and the only state in which they can collectively fight off those trying to kill them.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
This doesn't make any sense. First, what is a "categorically Israel-critical position" and how is it different from regular old criticism of Israel? Second, why is criticizing Israel antisemitic if that criticism is not related to its Jewish roots and population?
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Are you criticizing their food or are you criticising them for, say, using "disproportionate force" when they shoot at people trying to kill them?
 
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Kobie said:
Let's get a show of hands of "lefties" who are "boycotting Israel." I'd say the vast, vast majority of "lefties" think the idea is asinine.
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This is no doubt true. I see some left leaning writers are critical of BDS. However, some of them don't seem to really get it. They seem to agree that Israel ought to commit suicide by ceding land to the Arabs. They only dislike BDS because it's hurting Israeli left wingers, hardening the position of Israeli moderates, and providing cover for the Israeli right.

No nation should be expected to commit suicide. No nation should be expected not to defend itself. I would hope that most of the left agrees.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Are you criticizing their food or are you criticising them for, say, using "disproportionate force" when they shoot at people trying to kill them?
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What's the difference, in your view, between the two types of criticism?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
This doesn't make any sense. First, what is a "categorically Israel-critical position" and how is it different from regular old criticism of Israel? Second, why is criticizing Israel antisemitic if that criticism is not related to its Jewish roots and population?
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The answer to both questions is that it would going into a hypocrisy tailspin. I could of course criticize only Israel, but that would necessitate ignoring a wide swath of issues dealing with the Palestinian side, and the in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict they are a package deal. You don't get to criticize one without the other and still have intellectual credibility. As for the Jewish issue, it's only leveled at Jews, and since Jews are the people of Israel, and leveling your criticism against them requires ignoring the reality of the region and, again, problems with the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab world in general.

"I'm just criticizing Israelis, not Jews" is the new slogan used to try to weasel out of appearing anti-semitic. The only people those quoting it are fooling are each other. No one else is buying it.
 
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Cardinal said:
The answer to both questions is that it would going into a hypocrisy tailspin. I could of course criticize only Israel, but that would necessitate ignoring a wide swath of issues dealing with the Palestinian side, and the in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict they are a package deal. You don't get to criticize one without the other and still have intellectual credibility. As for the Jewish issue, it's only leveled at Jews, and since Jews are the people of Israel, and leveling your criticism against them requires ignoring the reality of the region and, again, problems with the Palestinians and the surrounding Arab world in general.
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This is ridiculous. Just because someone criticizes Israel more than they criticize Palestine does not mean that that person is antisemitic. Of course, antisemitic people do use Israel as a cover to express their bigotry, but categorizing everyone who is more critical of Israel than Palestine on the issue as antisemitic is irrational and, more importantly, inaccurate.

"I'm just criticizing Israelis, not Jews" is the new slogan used to try to weasel out of appearing anti-semitic. The only people those quoting it are fooling are each other. No one else is buying it
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The "I'm just criticizing Israeli's, not Jews" is not a new slogan. That's what antisemitic people have been using as an excuse since Israel became a state. It's a smokescreen that antisemites use to disguise their bigotry. I get that. The problem is people who aren't antisemitic ALSO say that because they are genuinely just criticizing Israel and not Jewish people. From what you've said, it seems like you haven't found a way to distinguish those people from antisemites in a credible way.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
This is ridiculous. Just because someone criticizes Israel more than they criticize Palestine does not mean that that person is antisemitic. Of course, antisemitic people do use Israel as a cover to express their bigotry, but categorizing everyone who is more critical of Israel than Palestine on the issue as antisemitic is irrational and, more importantly, inaccurate.
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First of all, I said "categorically Israel-critical." It stands to reason that if you criticize two parties, one of them will get a bit more flak than the other. However, if your criticism is overly weighted toward Israel, as I already clarified for Ikari, you might not actually be anti-semitic. You just might be ignorant. I often have to remind myself not attribute to malice would can easily be explained by ignorance.

ThePlayDrive said:
The "I'm just criticizing Israeli's, not Jews" is not a new slogan. That's what antisemitic people have been using as an excuse since Israel became a state. It's a smokescreen that antisemites use to disguise their bigotry. I get that. The problem is people who aren't antisemitic ALSO say that because they are genuinely just criticizing Israel and not Jewish people. From what you've said, it seems like you haven't found a way to distinguish those people from antisemites in a credible way.
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No, it's almost certainly not new, that's true. However, it is being taken up by an increasing number of groups and I've seen it recently make its transcendence into mainstream dialogue. Per my previous paragraph, it doesn't take especially long to distinguish a person's categorically anti-Israel position as stemming from anti-semitism or ignorance.
 
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Cardinal said:
First of all, I said "categorically Israel-critical." It stands to reason that if you criticize two parties, one of them will get a bit more flak than the other. However, if your criticism is overly weighted toward Israel, as I already clarified for Ikari, you might not actually be anti-semitic. You just might be ignorant. I often have to remind myself not attribute to malice would can easily be explained by ignorance.
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Such as those people who state that any criticism of Israel is categorically anti-Semitic; something done not out of a malicious desire to suppress such criticism, but because they actually believe, out of ignorance, that it is inherently discriminatory.

That having been said I simply cannot respect or take seriously the opinions of those people who assert that legitimate critiques concerning human right violations, sabotaging Palestinian attempts at international/multilateral diplomacy (usually with US assistance), international law, disproportionate response, aggressive settlement expansion, etc where Israel is concerned are inherently and invariably anti-Semitic; that is absolute and complete nonsense, particularly when these things jeopardize or, at best, further complicate the already difficult process of establishing a two state solution. Yes, a person might disagree with the critiques, but it is the definition of absurd to dismiss them as discriminatory.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
But they are my "democratic freedoms"

And anyways how about I only boycott people from countries run by black people but I'm totally ok with people from other countries (unless they are black and refuse to denounce the countries run by black people, in which case I want to ban them too)? Even if those other countries act the same or worse as the countries that are run by black people.

Democratic freedoms, no?
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Is there someone threatening you with severe penalties if you choose to not patronize black people or nations with black people or nations that support black people? I bet not. You can be as racist as you wanna be. But you're sure gonna miss out on some good cooking.
 
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Surrealistik said:
Such as those people who state that any criticism of Israel is categorically anti-Semitic; something done not out of a malicious desire to suppress such criticism, but because they actually believe, out of ignorance, that it is inherently discriminatory.

That having been said I simply cannot respect or take seriously the opinions of those people who assert that legitimate critiques concerning human right violations, sabotaging Palestinian attempts at international/multilateral diplomacy (usually with US assistance), international law, disproportionate response, aggressive settlement expansion, etc where Israel is concerned are inherently and invariably anti-Semitic; that is absolute and complete nonsense, particularly when these things jeopardize or, at best, further complicate the already difficult process of establishing a two state solution. Yes, a person might disagree with the critiques, but it is the definition of absurd to dismiss them as discriminatory.
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forum rules prohibit the posting of ME/IP topics outside of this sub-forum
had that restriction not been in place, the text above would properly be copied into the "post of the month" thread
thank you for demonstrating that legitimate criticism of israeli government actions does not - of itself - constitute anti-semitism
 
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Surrealistik said:
Such as those people who state that any criticism of Israel is categorically anti-Semitic;
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No, categorical (one sided) criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. Or ignorant. Either way it requires ignoring the problems from the Palestinian side, as demonstrated by your post.

Surrealistik said:
something done not out of a malicious desire to suppress such criticism, but because they actually believe, out of ignorance, that it is inherently discriminatory.

That having been said I simply cannot respect or take seriously the opinions of those people who assert that legitimate critiques concerning human right violations, sabotaging Palestinian attempts at international/multilateral diplomacy (usually with US assistance), international law, disproportionate response, aggressive settlement expansion, etc where Israel is concerned are inherently and invariably anti-Semitic; that is absolute and complete nonsense, particularly when these things jeopardize or, at best, further complicate the already difficult process of establishing a two state solution. Yes, a person might disagree with the critiques, but it is the definition of absurd to dismiss them as discriminatory.
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