Re: Don’t Shoot the Messenger, Israel
This is just a mixing of so many nonsensical arguments all thrown together to make one hysterically ignorant argument that I don't even know where to begin. It is clear that you choose not to stick to a single specific topic and rather discuss the entire conflict from a rather absurd and surreal view where the entire fault for every single aspect of the conflict lies on the shoulders of Israel and the Jews who live in it. Not only that, but apparently it is so purely due to its very existence, and it seems like you seek to suggest that the solution to the entire conflict is for Israel to somehow cease to exist, since you insist on making the point that Jews had no right to establish Israel(which is false), this being the core part of your arguments about every single issue discussed so far. Such discussions of the history of the conflict and specifically the creation of Israel should be reserved to threads that are meant to discuss the conflict on its whole or the historical aspect of the conflict, since it's easier to not get drifted away this way. It's absurd that you believe every single issue can be manipulated to discuss Israel's very right to exist. Regardless, I will address several points;
First of all the number of people displaced during the 48' war is around 700,000. Most of those have fled the area answering the call of the Arab nations who invaded in their attempt to annihilate one-day-old Israel, who promised the fleeing Palestinian Arabs that the Jews will be gone by the time they finish and they'll be able to return to the land. That didn't happen. There were a minority among those 700,000, who were indeed forcefully removed by counterattacking Jewish militias. At the same time it must be pointed that there was an actual policy to displace people, but it belonged to the Arab nations who as a result of the establishment of Israel have decided to forcefully kick out the Jews who lived in these countries. Additionally there were many conflicts around the world where populations were displaced, in
some cases as part of an actual policy, and yet they too don't get to return to the lands they were removed from. The bottom line in the case of the refugees of the 48' war is; Yes, absolutely, taking all of the millions in will result in Israel's immediate destruction. Hence not going to happen, good that you recognize that, the PLO should too.
Now as to the nonsensical comparison you've been making, claiming that just as Israel doesn't agree to self-destruct it means the Palestinians shouldn't have been expected to either. First point is that this comparison is hysterical. Really, it makes no sense whatsoever to compare between an established and prospering nation being asked to take in such large group of people that will destroy it economically, demographically and in whatever other ways and between a nation-free land under a foreign military occupation taking in immgirants that will later establish a nation on parts of those lands in accordance with their right to self determination. It's obvious how illogical it is to compare between the two situations as if they're the same and as if the Jewish immigration to the land had destroyed any other nation that's been there before. It hasn't. Second point is that Israel isn't going away, and Israel is here to stay, and by choosing to discuss Israel's existence instead of focusing on the real and actual current problems you are seeking to divert attention from reality; that Israel has every right to demand an end to terrorism, that the occupation can never end as long as Israel's security needs are not met and that no government of Israel will ever accept, and it's absurd that it needs to be pointed out, its own destruction by taking the steps you wish it to take.
You generalize Israelis in a twisted and brutal manner, you claim they all see it as their "God given land" and you deny the very right of Israel to exist. You ignore the historical connection of Jews to the land of Israel which was home to the nation of their ancestors, a strong and indisputable connection that goes well beyond the existence of a Jewish community in the land for over 3,000 years continiously. Most importantly, IMO, is the fact that you continiously choose to discuss its existence as if it's a temporary status that's going to change, and as I said above as long as you don't recognize its very right to exist what progress can you make towards understanding the wrongness of your claims? As long as you generalize Israelis, demonize them and paint a twisted picture of the Israeli POV, no such progress can be made. Israel isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The conflict will end when everyone understands that. Terror has no justification.
The topic is completely lost. The OP began with this: