France to recognise Palestine if talks fail [W:66]

'Foreign minister says Israeli "colonisation continues" and if renewed efforts collapse, France will recognise Palestine.'

'France intends to make another push at trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has warned that if its efforts failed, it would recognise a Palestinian State.

"France will engage in the coming weeks in the preparation of an international conference bringing together the parties and their main partners, American, European, Arab, notably to preserve and make happen the two-state solution," French Foreign Affairs Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday.

If this last attempt at finding a solution hits a wall, "well ... in this case, we need to face our responsibilities by recognising the Palestinian state," said the minister.'

France to recognise Palestine if talks fail - Al Jazeera English


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Vive la France!

The French our greatest ally are awesome.

If the Palestinians want independence they have to engage France and the others to recognize them ASAP. The US wont help because its heavily influenced by Isreal.

guess we will soon be back to calling them 'freedom fries'

DA60 said:

'Foreign minister says Israeli "colonisation continues" and if renewed efforts collapse, France will recognise Palestine.'

'France intends to make another push at trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has warned that if its efforts failed, it would recognise a Palestinian State.

"France will engage in the coming weeks in the preparation of an international conference bringing together the parties and their main partners, American, European, Arab, notably to preserve and make happen the two-state solution," French Foreign Affairs Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday.

If this last attempt at finding a solution hits a wall, "well ... in this case, we need to face our responsibilities by recognising the Palestinian state," said the minister.'

France to recognise Palestine if talks fail - Al Jazeera English


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The Palestinians have chosen a terrorist organization as thier ruling political party, it will be hard to grieve for the next France attack when they welcome terrorism with open arms.

DA60 said:

'Foreign minister says Israeli "colonisation continues" and if renewed efforts collapse, France will recognise Palestine.'

'France intends to make another push at trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has warned that if its efforts failed, it would recognise a Palestinian State.

"France will engage in the coming weeks in the preparation of an international conference bringing together the parties and their main partners, American, European, Arab, notably to preserve and make happen the two-state solution," French Foreign Affairs Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday.

If this last attempt at finding a solution hits a wall, "well ... in this case, we need to face our responsibilities by recognising the Palestinian state," said the minister.'

France to recognise Palestine if talks fail - Al Jazeera English


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It's either Stockholm Syndrome, or a complete denial of the PA's terrorist connections. ..............Take your pick.

France is simply saying to the Palestinian Authority; "If you sabotage the peace process we will grant you a prize".
It's very idiotic, and why would Israel agree for negotiations to be managed by a party that says such things and is thus clearly not objective? It would not.

i dont think it would make things worse

Apocalypse said:

France is simply saying to the Palestinian Authority; "If you sabotage the peace process we will grant you a prize".
It's very idiotic, and why would Israel agree for negotiations to be managed by a party that says such things and is thus clearly not objective? It would not.

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An excellent point. Israel is at an immediate disadvantage in the realm of global perception as a result. The question of why France seems to take such an interest in resolving the conflict (without the cooperation of its fellow G7 members) is also pertinent.

blarg said:

i dont think it would make things worse

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Rewarding a country for placing a terror group amongst its leaders only incentivizes the behavior :shrug: I suppose it depends on your definition of the term worse.

DA60 said:

'Foreign minister says Israeli "colonisation continues" and if renewed efforts collapse, France will recognise Palestine.'

'France intends to make another push at trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has warned that if its efforts failed, it would recognise a Palestinian State.

"France will engage in the coming weeks in the preparation of an international conference bringing together the parties and their main partners, American, European, Arab, notably to preserve and make happen the two-state solution," French Foreign Affairs Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday.

If this last attempt at finding a solution hits a wall, "well ... in this case, we need to face our responsibilities by recognising the Palestinian state," said the minister.'

France to recognise Palestine if talks fail - Al Jazeera English


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It's clearly now that Abbas will be more than excited to sit and negotiate with Bibi.

But its funny to see the French complaining about Israeli "colonialism".

a351 said:

Rewarding a country for placing a terror group amongst its leaders only incentivizes the behavior :shrug: I suppose it depends on your definition of the term worse.

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There never was a Palestine country, government, people, or culture to begin with.

a351 said:

Rewarding a country for placing a terror group amongst its leaders only incentivizes the behavior :shrug: I suppose it depends on your definition of the term worse.

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and saying a country is a country is a reward?

i think not having a state is 1 of the incentives they have for terrorism

RetiredUSN said:

There never was a Palestine country, government, people, or culture to begin with.

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So who were the majority of people living in that area before the partition then?

PoS said:

So who were the majority of people living in that area before the partition then?

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Mostly are immigrants (who worked as agriculturists) from Egypt.

PoS said:

So who were the majority of people living in that area before the partition then?

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Israel retook some of the land back of their ancient homeland only after the Palestinians started a war to drive the Jews into the sea. There are consequences to attempted murder/war plus it is land that was their ancestors first. Israel can do whatever they please with this land.

DA60 said:

'Foreign minister says Israeli "colonisation continues" and if renewed efforts collapse, France will recognise Palestine.'

'France intends to make another push at trying to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and has warned that if its efforts failed, it would recognise a Palestinian State.

"France will engage in the coming weeks in the preparation of an international conference bringing together the parties and their main partners, American, European, Arab, notably to preserve and make happen the two-state solution," French Foreign Affairs Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday.

If this last attempt at finding a solution hits a wall, "well ... in this case, we need to face our responsibilities by recognising the Palestinian state," said the minister.'

France to recognise Palestine if talks fail - Al Jazeera English


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Yes. The french are morons.

PoS said:

If the Palestinians want independence they have to engage France and the others to recognize them ASAP. The US wont help because its heavily influenced by Isreal.

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If the palistineans want indepedance, they merely need to stop acting like savage morons and renounce terrorism. It is that simple.

Apocalypse said:

France is simply saying to the Palestinian Authority; "If you sabotage the peace process we will grant you a prize".
It's very idiotic, and why would Israel agree for negotiations to be managed by a party that says such things and is thus clearly not objective? It would not.

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Agreed. The french are incredibly stupid on that issue.

NO1 said:

It's clearly now that Abbas will be more than excited to sit and negotiate with Bibi.

But its funny to see the French complaining about Israeli "colonialism".

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Yep.......Considering the massive level of colonialism that was practice in Europe mostly by the french and the brits, it's incredible that they blame the US and Israel for everything.

Apocalypse said:

France is simply saying to the Palestinian Authority; "If you sabotage the peace process we will grant you a prize".
It's very idiotic, and why would Israel agree for negotiations to be managed by a party that says such things and is thus clearly not objective? It would not.

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Perhaps the French are smarter than we think. I really wonder if Abbas wants to be responsible for actually governing a Palestinian state. Right now, his criminal syndicate pockets half the international aid money and gives out the other half to its cronies - all the while blaming Israel for the abysmal living conditions of his people. Recognition as the head of a State would bring the gravy train to an end as he would now be the one held accountable.

Perhaps the French are just calling his bluff.

PoS said:

If the Palestinians want independence they have to engage France and the others to recognize them ASAP. The US wont help because its heavily influenced by Isreal.

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And just out of curiosity, what do you think the recognition of Palestine will accomplish? Please walk me through the steps, starting from 1)France recognizes Palestine and ending in 10)Palestine and Israel coexist in harmony.

RetiredUSN said:

There never was a Palestine country, government, people, or culture to begin with.

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Whether or not that's true is entirely beside the point. The end goal (of rational people who do not personally have it in for Jews or Palestinians) is for a two state solution in which the sovereign rights of both countries are recognized and in which their security is guaranteed. Anybody who seeks a goal that does not embody the above is biased and doesn't actually want peace.

What happened X years ago doesn't help the discussion.

Cardinal said:

The end goal (of rational people who do not personally have it in for Jews or Palestinians) is for a two state solution in which the sovereign rights of both countries are recognized and in which their security is guaranteed. Anybody who seeks a goal that does not embody the above is biased and doesn't actually want peace.

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"Jew" is not the equivalent to Palestinian, you (perhaps?) meant Israeli. The claim that people who do not support partition are biased or not rational is empty and has no moral basis. What sort of objective criteria are you using to claim your position is not biased and the only position that 'wants peace'?

Contrary to your conclusions, it seems to me trying to use objective criteria, one would always arrive at the conclusion that the two state solution is biased inherently in favor of Jewish Israelis, that it legitimatizes criminal and immoral behavior.

The only thing going for a two state solution for "Jews" and Palestinians is its so called practicality, and by practicality people mean that it is practical for Palestinians to accept their displacement, that they should accept Israel 'taking' large swaths of private Arab property among other concessions. Of course using the same rationale, if Israel was to displace Palestinians in Jerusalem and 'Judea and Samaria' and move more Israeli Jews there, you will be telling us about the impracticality of asking Israelis to leave Judea and that anyone who disagrees with this is being impractical and does not truly want peace.

One thing I'll give you though is at least you acknowledge implicitly that Zionism was not a peaceful movement by any stretch of the imagination, given the fact that it openly upheld its demand of the conversion of Palestine into a Jewish state, with explicit denial of the native people's political rights:

David Ben Gurion said:

The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan: one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today, but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.

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David Ben Gurion said:

"The debate has not been for or against the indivisibility of Eretz Israel. No Zionist can forgo the smallest portion of Eretz Israel. The Debate was over which of two routes would lead quicker to the common goal

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