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The Reason Israel Does What It Does

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Not entirely accurate, he's asking you why you're not showing your sympathy. Obviously he doesn't get to meet people who hold such positions as yours very often and it legitimately interests him how a person can come to accept such views in modern human society. That's not like asking you "please oh please, show the victims some sympathy", which again no one asks and no one wants.

In our talk he literally asked me to say the words "I sympathies", in fact the whole point of the thread is to sympathies with Israel's behavior.

Just as I said in my first reply to you, the only thing that no one asked for here was your insightful contribution.

Neither are the innocent civilians whom attempted murders you seek to justify, which is why you're no different than a person who would justify the same for you, your family and friends. That person might find an excuse to justify it just like you do. Be it a political excuse or any other excuse.

Obviously our definitions of "innocent" and "civilians" are different, you obviously believe that any attack by Palestinian on Israeli soldiers in the occupied territories is terrorism.


I've never supported any act of evil, certainly not to the level that you're promoting here of actually killings innocents and honestly I don't even support the settlements policy as I think it promotes a one-state solution but you won't see me labeling it colonialism and you won't stop justifying my murder.

As I said you are a proponent of 21st century colonialism, worse still you believe it to be a Jewish right. Your current opposition to the project is not based on any semblance of morality but literally the fear that you might be forced to give natives who live there equal rights. Its amusing really.

As I said it is extremely rich for a colonialist to tell people that he never "supported evil" or that the rest of us should get with he times.
 
In our talk he literally asked me to say the words "I sympathies", in fact the whole point of the thread is to sympathies with Israel's behavior.

Yet you've spoken about sympathy to terror victims, not Israel's actions. No one asked for your sympathy for terror victims. See the previous comment in reply to the first part of your sentence.

Obviously our definitions of "innocent" and "civilians" are different, you obviously believe that any attack by Palestinian on Israeli soldiers in the occupied territories is terrorism.

First of all that's the definition since living in the occupied territories does not make the people there criminals. If you wish to see the state's actions as criminal you're welcomed to do so but you cannot apply criminality to the people who merely choose to live there, and yes it is terrorism when a savage subhuman Palestinian beast opens fire on a couple who've never attacked him as they're driving in their car with their three children in the back watching it all happen.

Secondly you were clearly jusitfying not merely attacks against Israeli innocents in the occupied territories but also in Israeli territory as well, since these attacks are not only occuring in the WB but also in Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petach Tikwa, Rishon le-Zion - Israeli territory. So you can't seem to manage to justify to yourself your own views.

As I said you are a proponent of 21st century colonialism, worse still you believe it to be a Jewish right. Your current opposition to the project is not based on any semblance of morality but literally the fear that you might be forced to give natives who live there equal rights. Its amusing really.

You're the one who talks about how no Jew should be living in that land, I have no problem whatsoever with the native Arab population of Israel. It's only amusing because you fail to see things objectively and realize that promoting the murder of innocents is the highest form of evil that a political agenda can achieve. You talk about how evil the Jewish settlements are (and it's entirely a political issue, not an issue of morality) yet at the same time you wholeheartedly accept the belief that innocents are required to be murdered by radical Islamic savages.

As I said it is extremely rich for a colonialist to tell people that he never "supported evil" or that the rest of us should get with he times.

I am not the one who promotes the murder of innocents yet lies to himself that everything is fine and that he's not a bad person and it's the other side of the argument, who doesn't promote any bad deed, that is 'bad'. The free human society had evolved way past your positions ages ago.
 
Yeah, basically Israel is the city of New York, and immediately outside the city borders EVERYBODY WANTS TO KILL YOU.

This has had an interesting if not especially surprising psychological impact on those living in Tel Aviv.

big different between new york people and israel people:
new york people did genocide american indian but israelis didnt genocide palestinis yet
 
Yet you've spoken about sympathy to terror victims, not Israel's actions. No one asked for your sympathy for terror victims. See the previous comment in reply to the first part of your sentence.

Actually the thread is to sympathies with Israeli 'victims' like the guard being attacked in the video. As I said, the only one derailing the thread with irrelevant comments is here is you.

First of all that's the definition since living in the occupied territories does not make the people there criminals. If you wish to see the state's actions as criminal you're welcomed to do so but you cannot apply criminality to the people who merely choose to live there, and yes it is terrorism when a savage subhuman Palestinian beast opens fire on a couple who've never attacked him as they're driving in their car with their three children in the back watching it all happen.

Secondly you were clearly jusitfying not merely attacks against Israeli innocents in the occupied territories but also in Israeli territory as well, since these attacks are not only occuring in the WB but also in Tel Aviv, Ra'anana, Petach Tikwa, Rishon le-Zion - Israeli territory. So you can't seem to manage to justify to yourself your own views.

And clearly the opinion of someone who classifies any attack on occupation soldiers during a conflict as terrorism is one who's definition of innocence and terrorism are worthless.


You're the one who talks about how no Jew should be living in that land

As I said you justify colonialism when it is Jews doing it. Opposition to colonialism when it is Jews doing it as far as you've just said is a form of antisemitism. If natives defend their rights and their property through armed resistance against Jewish soldiers who occupy and colonize their lands through violence, then they are inhuman and are committing acts of terrorism.

You only claim to oppose continuation of Jewish colonialism because you are scared Israel would be forced give natives in the territories it occupies and colonizes equal rights.


Then you are whitewashing colonialism under the guise that it is a political issue and not a moral issue as if the two are contradictory.


The free human society had evolved way past your positions ages ago.

My positions are not only moral, they are codified in international treaties and laws. Colonialism is a crime, Palestinians and other occupied people have a legal right to armed resistence.. etc.

The only one justifying criminality (when it is Jews who are guilty) is you. Saying I don't shed any tears over criminal adults who leave the safety of their countries around the world to colonize other people's lands does not mean I support killing them.

It means exactly what it says, they are scumbags who deserve no sympathy, the fact that they are Jewish extremists does not absolve them as you seem to believe.
 
Actually the thread is to sympathies with Israeli 'victims' like the soldier being attacked in the video as well. As I said, the only one derailing the thread with irrelevant comments is here is you.

Well I've made that point already and I think you perfectly understood what I was saying, I see no need to keep repeating it.

And clearly the opinion of someone who classifies any attack on occupation soldiers during a conflict as terrorism is one who's definition of innocence and terrorism are worthless.

I've done no such thing and you're engaging in strawman arguments. I was referring to civilians and civilians alone. I obviously have a problem with attacks on soldiers of my country as well, yet I do see it as a completely different level of evil to support the killing of civilians and I don't think there is a worse level than that.

As I said you justify colonialism when it is Jews doing it. Opposition to colonialism when it is Jews doing it as far as you've just said is a form of antisemitism. If natives defend their rights and their property through armed resistance against Jewish soldiers who occupy and colonize their lands through violence, then they are inhuman and are committing acts of terrorism.

I think you have a problem with Jews living in the WB in general. That's going to happen even if they live under Palestinian rule in a Palestinian state in the WB. Of course, the second part was already labeled as a strawman argument.

You only claim to oppose continuation of Jewish colonialism because you are scared Israel would be forced give natives in the territories it occupies and colonizes equal rights.

No, because it would change the nature of the country to absorb millions of people from a different nationality. You can paint my opinion as illegitimate but it truly isn't. I support two states for two people, it's clear that you don't if you justify the killings of Israeli civilians in general as you have not just in occupied territories but in Israeli territory as well.

Then you are whitewashing colonialism under the guise that it is a political issue and not a moral issue as if the two are contradictory.

They are. It's a political move to settle people in disputed areas, hence a decision by the state and hence if you argue for criminality it belongs on the state. Let alone that even if there was criminality to be applied to the innocent civilians it wouldn't have been sufficing enough to have them barbarically murdered in the name of Allah.

My positions are not only moral, they are codified in international treaties and laws.

That's just absurd of course and I have aksed you decades ago to cite where is it said that such murders of innocents in Tel Aviv, Ra'anana and in the WB as well are justified as you did justify them. You're incapable of doing so.

The only one justifying criminality (when it is Jews who are guilty) is you. Saying I don't shed any tears over criminal adults who leave the safety of their countries around the world to colonize other people's lands does not mean I support killing them.

It means exactly what it says, they are scumbags who deserve no sympathy, the fact that they are Jewish extremists does not absolve them as you seem to believe.

Yes it means exactly what it says. When you're saying that all Israelis deserves to fall victim to acts of murder and monstrousity, because all Israelis are "Jewish extremists/Colonialists/whatever", you are justifying the murder of innocents and there is no way to dodge around it, more so when you're referring to acts of radical Islamic savagery as "resistence".

Anyway I think we can continue this on and on and for no real reason, it is clear that you are fully aware of the fact that your positions represent the peak of human immorality here and I think you're comfortable with denying it and use absurd reasoning for your support for the taking of people, innocent people, away from their families, friends and loved ones in general. I can only join Cardinal's hope that I never reach such level in my life and I can only wish for you that you will not act on your radical ideology, it'd turn badly for you as well and not just your victims.
 
Israel settles Palestine because some Palestinians attack soldiers who guard settlements, great reasoning.
Thats not a soldier, not even a policeman
 
In our talk he literally asked me to say the words "I sympathies", in fact the whole point of the thread is to sympathies with Israel's behavior.

Just as I said in my first reply to you, the only thing that no one asked for here was your insightful contribution.



Obviously our definitions of "innocent" and "civilians" are different, you obviously believe that any attack by Palestinian on Israeli soldiers in the occupied territories is terrorism.




As I said you are a proponent of 21st century colonialism, worse still you believe it to be a Jewish right. Your current opposition to the project is not based on any semblance of morality but literally the fear that you might be forced to give natives who live there equal rights. Its amusing really.

As I said it is extremely rich for a colonialist to tell people that he never "supported evil" or that the rest of us should get with he times.

I wanted to see if you even saw any Israelis as human -- soldier, policeman, man, woman or child alike. Your repeated posts show you've completely dehumanized them. As Apocalypse already stated, I myself don't require your sympathy.

Thats not a soldier, not even a policeman

From his posts I've gathered those distinctions, women and children included, are irrelevant anyway.
 
I wanted to see if you even saw any Israelis as human -- soldier, policeman, man, woman or child alike. Your repeated posts show you've completely dehumanized them.

Really? saying that I do not sympathize with war criminals means I dehumanize them? no they are fully human, they are evil scum who are not worthy of sympathy.

As Apocalypse already stated, I myself don't require your sympathy.

Of course you don't I've called you out on your loaded question as soon as you disingenuously asked it. You did however during your charade literally ask me to repeat the words "I sympathize". therefor you did ask for my sympathy.

Apocalypse repeated statements like:
you insist on believing that anyone asked for your sympathy.

Are clearly untrue.

Though this as you now more or less admit was simply a ploy for me to play into your loaded questions and not at all about actual sympathy, you still did technically ask for my "sympathy".

From his posts I've gathered those distinctions, women and children included, are irrelevant anyway.


I was clearly stating that soldiers and settlers who colonize territory deserve no sympathy, when you brought up children, I pointed out children clearly are incapable of either and therefor cannot fit that criteria.


Given that you have already provided me a source that lists Israeli soldiers who die while conducting a war as "victims" of "terrorism", and given the fact that you apparently make no distinction between a colonist "mother" and someone who isn't a colonist, given again that you equate an adult "mother" with the child. The only one that clearly attempts to muddy distinctions is you.
 
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Really? saying that I do not sympathize with war criminals means I dehumanize them? no they are fully human, they are evil scum who are not worthy of sympathy.



Of course you don't I've called you out on your loaded question as soon as you disingenuously asked it. You did however during your charade literally ask me to repeat the words "I sympathize". therefor you did ask for my sympathy.

Apocalypse statements you therefor are clearly untrue.

Though this clearly as you now admit this was simply a ploy for me to play into your loaded questions and not at all about actual sympathy.


Given that you have already provided me a source that lists Israeli soldiers who die while conducting a war as "victims" of "terrorism", and given the fact that you apparently make no distinction between a colonist "mother" and someone who isn't a colonist, given again that you equate an adult "mother" with the child. The only one that clearly attempts to muddy distinctions is you.


In the first attack, a Palestinian resident of the West Bank stabbed Israelis at the entrance of a store that served as an informal synagogue in a Tel Aviv commercial center, killing two Israeli men and injuring a third. Witnesses said that the attacker then tried to force his way into the prayer room but was stopped by worshipers blocking the door.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/world/middleeast/palestinian-stabs-israelis-in-tel-aviv.html?_r=0

How about these people? Are these Jewish victims in Tel Aviv (i.e. not the West Bank) deserving of sympathy or are they evil scum too?
 
Really? saying that I do not sympathize with war criminals means I dehumanize them? no they are fully human, they are evil scum who are not worthy of sympathy.

Yes, when you reply to this comment:

I wanted to see if you even saw any Israelis as human -- soldier, policeman, man, woman or child alike

By saying that you "don't sympathize with war criminals evil scum" you're implying that not just Israeli soldiers or policemen are such and such in your eyes but also men, women and children citizens of the state, you are dehumanizing them all and you are exposing an evil position that sees human beings belonging to a specific nationality, collecitvely, as the enemy that must be destroyed and have no feelings for. You don't get to complain about alleged evil when your positions clearly and strongly represent the greatest evil human kind has to offer to the world.
 
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