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The Reason Israel Does What It Does

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L0neW0lf said:
Is the child capable of consent? can he choose to colonize other people's territories?

"The mother" merits scorn for not only choosing to be a colonist in the 21st century, but for endangering children by forcing them to live in occupied territories as well.

No sympathy here.
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No one asked for your sympathy.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Is the child capable of consent? can he choose to colonize other people's territories?

"The mother" merits scorn for not only choosing to be a colonist in the 21st century, but for endangering children by forcing them to live in occupied territories as well.

No sympathy here.
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Why can't you answer if you sympathize with the child or not?
 
Apocalypse said:
No one asked for your sympathy.
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Actually you quoted the posts in which we were both discussing whether sympathy is merited or not. He claiming yes, I claiming not.

What no one asked for or about is your insightful contribution.
 
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Cardinal said:
Why can't you answer if you sympathize with the child or not?
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I have in fact answered, you are feigning ignorance.

I was clearly stating that soldiers and settlers who colonize territory deserve no sympathy, when you brought up children, I pointed out children clearly are incapable of either and therefor cannot fit that criteria.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Actually you quoted the posts in which were both discussing whether sympathy is merited or not. He claiming yes, I claiming not.

What no one asked for or about is your insightful contribution.
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Obviously I was referring to your initial post in this thread claiming that the victims of subhuman Palestinian terrorists who murder innocents in the name of Allah do not deserve your sympathy because you think the land they live in (and apparently that makes all of Israel too since civilians from all over Israel were targeted) belongs to others and you think that this means they can be murdered without any moral issues, taken away from their loved ones and removed from this world.

So again, who asked for your sympathy?
 
L0neW0lf said:
I have in fact answered, you are feigning ignorance.

I was clearly stating that soldiers and settlers who colonize territory deserve no sympathy, when you brought up children, I pointed out children clearly are incapable of either and therefor cannot fit that criteria.
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Say, "I...sympathize...with...injured...children." If you're human and still have red blood coursing through your veins, you can do this.
 
Lonewolf, I'll go first: I sympathize with the Palestinian children killed by Israeli munitions.

See? I can assure you that typing that sentence did not cause any nosebleeds.
 
Cardinal said:
Lonewolf, I'll go first: I sympathize with the Palestinian children killed by Israeli munitions.
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Good for you.

See? I can assure you that typing that sentence did not cause any nosebleeds.
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Why would it?

Excuse me for not indulging in your tactics. Clearly I did not say or imply in any way that children do not desrve sympathy and yet you choose to ask accusatory and loaded questions implying that I do.


As I said you apparently think we should sympathize with the poor poor men and women who come from all over the world to colonize other people's territories with their guns, I believe they and people who sympathize with them belong in a different century.
 
L0neW0lf said:
As I said you apparently think we should sympathize with the poor poor men and women who come from all over the world to colonize other people's territories with their guns
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Who is 'we'? I hope you realize that you're only speaking for yourself.

I believe they and people who sympathize with them belong in a different century
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At least you are aware of that.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Good for you.



Why would it?

Excuse me for not indulging in your tactics. Clearly I did not say or imply in any way that children do not desrve sympathy and yet you choose to ask accusatory and loaded questions implying that I do.


As I said you apparently think we should sympathize with the poor poor men and women who come from all over the world to colonize other people's territories with their guns, I believe they and people who sympathize with them belong in a different century.
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I don't think you are capable of saying that Israeli child victims of Palestinian attacks are deserving of sympathy because, from your continued evasion, I'm not entirely sure you see them as human.
 
L0neW0lf said:
You have a funny way of showing it.
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Not at all, my way of showing that there are centuries apart between your views and the views of mainstream Israeli society (and the rest of humanity in general) is very consistent, as is my way of showing how glad I am that you've chosen to recognize that difference.
 
Cardinal said:
I don't think you are capable of saying that Israeli child victims of Palestinian attacks are deserving of sympathy because, from your continued evasion, I'm not entirely sure you see them as human.
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Oh there it goes.

Since I have said nothing about children and my statement did in fact directly exclude them, your loaded question just as the 'conclusion' you supposedly arrive at are nothing more than a poor attempt to attack my character rather than what I said from the start.

You can go on sympathizing with the poor religious fanatic "mothers" who sometimes travel halfway around the world, leaving safety of their countries, so they can colonize other people's territories.

I personally as I said am not convinced that they deserve anything but scorn.
 
Apocalypse said:
Not at all, my way of showing that there are centuries apart between your views and the views of mainstream Israeli society (and the rest of humanity in general) is very consistent, as is my way of showing how glad I am that you've chosen to recognize that difference.
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The rest of humanity has a very funny way of showing their support, when you know, every single year, resolution after resolution, The US, Israel (a big fan of itself), Micronesia, Palu and The Martial Islands stand alone against the entire world to vote against pro-Palestinian resolutions.
 
L0neW0lf said:
The rest of humanity has a very funny way of showing their support, when you know, every single year, resolution after resolution, The US, Israel (a big fan of itself), Micronesia, Palu and The Martial Islands stand alone against the entire world to vote against pro-Palestinian resolutions.
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That's hardly what I was saying.
Unless you're willing to argue and provide evidence that it's a human value to see the murdering of innocents as justified, my words remain unchallenged.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Oh there it goes.

Since I have said nothing about children and my statement did in fact directly exclude them, your loaded question just as the 'conclusion' you supposedly arrive at are nothing more than a poor attempt to attack my character rather than what I said from the start.

You can go on sympathizing with the poor religious fanatic "mothers" who sometimes travel halfway around the world, leaving safety of their countries, so they can colonize other people's territories.

I personally as I said am not convinced that they deserve anything but scorn.
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You've made perfectly clear that you'd rather eat a bowl of bugs than admit to any human empathy if it meant demonstrating it for any Israeli victims. That is very, very much where you and I are different. All people want is to be happy and be free from pain, and when children grow up in a world that thrusts them into chaos, hate and death then that is tragic beyond words, regardless of whether those children are Palestinian or Jewish.

I hope I never see the day when I'm so filled with hatred that simply expressing sympathy for the death of a civilian becomes an impossible task.
 
ChezC3 said:


Just a day in the life at an Israeli checkpoint

When faced with daily threats such as this, what would you do?

Also, how many of those would be considered by the MSM as "civilians"?
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When I went to visit Israel to see all the holy historical sites in Christianity and Judaism (there are none for Islam -- the Islamic sites are all a myth), I was struck by the college age kids all carrying uzi's and wearing their green G/I ROTC uniforms.

These people (the Jewish men, women, and kids) really have it hard being surrounded by enemy nations.

We are really lucky to be in the USA.
 
Riveroaks said:
When I went to visit Israel to see all the holy historical sites in Christianity and Judaism (there are none for Islam -- the Islamic sites are all a myth), I was struck by the college age kids all carrying uzi's and wearing their green G/I ROTC uniforms.

These people (the Jewish men, women, and kids) really have it hard being surrounded by enemy nations.

We are really lucky to be in the USA.
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Yeah, basically Israel is the city of New York, and immediately outside the city borders EVERYBODY WANTS TO KILL YOU.

This has had an interesting if not especially surprising psychological impact on those living in Tel Aviv.
 
Cardinal said:
Yeah, basically Israel is the city of New York, and immediately outside the city borders EVERYBODY WANTS TO KILL YOU.

This has had an interesting if not especially surprising psychological impact on those living in Tel Aviv.
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They grow up there like ancient Spartans.
 
Cardinal said:
You've made perfectly clear that you'd rather eat a bowl of bugs than admit to any human empathy if it meant demonstrating it for any Israeli victims.
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Are all people who refuse to indulge your loaded questions incapable of empathy?

That is very, very much where you and I are different
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Another area in which we are different is that I do not bother with ad hominems.

All people want is to be happy and be free from pain, and when children grow up in a world that thrusts them into chaos, hate and death then that is tragic beyond words, regardless of whether those children are Palestinian or Jewish.

I hope I never see the day when I'm so filled with hatred that simply expressing sympathy for the death of a civilian becomes an impossible task.
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More ad hominins.

Unrepentant criminals do not deserve any sympathy.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Unrepentant criminals do not deserve any sympathy.
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They aren't criminals but innocent civilians, and I don't understand why you insist on believing that anyone asked for your sympathy.
Would you, in the case you were targeted for murder by savage animals, want the sympathy of those who think you deserve it? I seriously doubt it.
What worth do you believe there is to your sympathy when you refuse to accept the values of the 21st century human society? Absolutely none.
 
Apocalypse said:
I don't understand why you insist on believing that anyone asked for your sympathy.
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Again you quote another post where the person I am quoting literally asks for my sympathy.

Would you, in the case you were targeted for murder by savage animals, want the sympathy of those who think you deserve it? I seriously doubt it.
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I am not a war criminal.

What worth do you believe there is to your sympathy when you refuse to accept the values of the 21st century human society? Absolutely none.
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Says the guy who defends modern day colonialism. Again, you need a reality check.
 
L0neW0lf said:
Again you quote another post where the person I am quoting literally asks for my sympathy.
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Not entirely accurate, he's asking you why you're not showing your sympathy. Obviously he doesn't get to meet people who hold such positions as yours very often and it legitimately interests him how a person can come to accept such views in modern human society. That's not like asking you "please oh please, show the victims some sympathy", which again no one asks and no one wants.

I am not a war criminal.
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Neither are the innocent civilians whom attempted murders you seek to justify, which is why you're no different than a person who would justify the same for you, your family and friends. That person might find an excuse to justify it just like you do. Be it a political excuse or any other excuse.

Says the guy who defends modern day colonialism. Again, you need a reality check.
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I've never supported any act of evil, certainly not to the level that you're promoting here of actually killings innocents and honestly I don't even support the settlements policy as I think it promotes a one-state solution but you won't see me labeling it colonialism and you won't stop justifying my murder.

You claim I require a reality check yet you're engaging in the justifying of the killings of innocents, not me, and while doing so you actually believe yourself to be morally supeior. If you could, and you cannot, look at your views objectively you would surely discover that between those views and the views that are opposing yours there is a clear moral distinction - as I'm sure you believe - it's just that the moral high ground belongs to the opposing side, and does not belong with the man who justifies the murder of innocent human beings over his political agenda.
 
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