World must protect Israelis from Hamas now.[W:25]

The time has come for this insanity that is push for Palestinian Statehood to end. The Palestinians have now proven beyond any doubt that they do not deserve Statehood. The Palestinians themselves have given power to their terroristic leadership and the Palestinians are responsible for it. For Palestinian leaders including Hamas to be calling for continued violence against Israelis must be considered terrorism. Israelis are being attacked in the streets and in terrorist attacks and this Palestinian leadership cheers ans encourages it to continue. It is not just the people of Palestine that are responsible for the terror that we are seeing on the streets of Israel but also the lunatic leaders of Europe and basically the rest of the global community that has supported and encouraged this terroristic leadership at every step. At what point does this madness end? Israelis are being murdered in Israel by Palestinian terrorists and this Palestinian leadership calls for the so-called 'intifada' to continue. This Palestinian leadership must be considered to be terrorists to encourage terror against a legitimate government and its people.

USA themselves also have responsibility for this situation due to US support for various 'rebel' groups that the US has helped to overthrow legitimate governments. The US cannot support so-called 'rebels' in places like Libya, Syria, Egypt and Ukraine on one hand and then tell this terrorist Palestine/Hamas leadership not to do what they are doing. Hamas would probably respond to any US criticism by claiming that the terror attacks on Israelis are 'pre-emptive strikes' or some nonsense. The US actions breaking international law in modern times and openly supporting so-called 'rebels' against legitimate governments has created a kind of global anarchy and US leadership no longer has the credibility, authority or leadership to restore order. So who will protect the Israelis?

Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal was quoted on Thursday as saying that it is the responsibility of all Palestinians to “liberate al-Aksa Mosque and Palestine.”

Mashaal, who is currently on a visit to South Africa, also told an ANC-sponsored rally in Cape Town that the “Jerusalem intifada” would continue “until Palestinians achieve freedom and the land returns to Palestine and its people.”

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-The Jerusalem Post

This is insanity. The global community must denounce Palestine leaders and Hamas as terrorists. The attacks taking place in Israel are terror attacks and to encourage them is to encourage terror. How can European leaders support these peoples push for Palestinian Statehood when they are clearly terrorists and have been all along?

These comments from a senior Hamas official after Hamas had gained political success in the 2006 Palestinian Legislative Ballot-

The senior official also defended Hamas' ultimate goal of destroying Israel and founding an Islamic state.

"I dreams of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it," he said. "I hope that our dream to have our independent state on all historic Palestine (including Israel)."

"This dream will become real one day. I'm certain of this because there is no place for the state of Israel on this land," said al-Zahar.

However, he didn't rule out the possibility of having Jews, Muslims and Christians living under the sovereignty of an Islamic state, adding that the Palestinians never hated the Jews and that only the Israeli occupation was their enemy.

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Xinhua - English

I have called for Hamas to disarm and focus on peaceful social activities but these people are ever going to disarm while the global community is not only silent over their threats and actions but actually encourage them. The US is the only nation that has stood with Israel on this Palestinian Statehood push at the UN. The Europeans are utterly mad to support the terrorist leadership of Palestine. Hamas is not a recognized national military and until Palestine is a State - if ever - Palestine cannot have armed forces. This is madness. Hamas should have been disarmed long ago. Israel has shown great restraint not to destroy them. Israel showed great restraint in the recent war between Israel and Palestine not to destroy Hamas because they certainly could have. Israel is more than capable of dealing with Hamas if they have to and if this terrorism continues they will have no choice. The only way forward for Palestinians is for Hamas/Palestinian leadership to call off this terrorist 'intifada' and to disarm. Hamas have refused to disarm until they establish an Islamic State in Israel.

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Al-Zahar also rejected the disarmament of Hamas' armed wing Izzeldein al-Qassam, stressing that the Hamas government would continue supporting armed resistance against Israeli occupation. "Why should we disarm the militants while the Palestinian territories are still occupied? The people should defend themselves," he said.

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Xinhua - English

This Palestinian leadership are fanatics and they are never going to stop. The current leadership has failed but could we really expect anything better to come from Palestine with their hate filled culture? We have all seen how young Palestinians throw rocks at Israeli soldiers daily. You never see a Palestinian adult tell them to stop doing it even though throwing a rock at a person should be considered attempted murder. A person can easily be killed by being hit in the head by a thrown rock. The culture of the Palestinians is wretched and bitter. Europeans and typical western leftists have contributed greatly to this wretched and bitter and terroristic Palestinian culture and this must end now. If we do not denounce this Palestine leadership then at what point do we? Israelis are being murdered in the streets and the Palestine leadership calls for more. It is the duty of every civilized citizen of our global community to stand up for Israelis and call the Palestinian leadership out for what they are and that is terrorists. This madness must stop now.

Palestine is not ready for Statehood. The Palestinian leadership are terrorists and it is the people of Palestine themselves that have elected them. Why in Gods name are people attacking Bibi for trying to point out that the Palestinian culture is and always has been a danger to the people of Israel? Of course it is. Are people blind? The Palestinian leadership are terrorists. What are we going to do about it? We must protect the people of Israel.

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You might not be surprised to learn that many people on this planet think that the Palestinians must be protected from the Israelis.

I predict that the UN will not be declaring war on the Palestinian people anytime soon.

:lol:

The Palestinians will disarm when Israel disarms.

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spangledbanner said:

Xinhua - English

This Palestinian leadership are fanatics and they are never going to stop. The current leadership has failed but could we really expect anything better to come from Palestine with their hate filled culture? We have all seen how young Palestinians throw rocks at Israeli soldiers daily. You never see a Palestinian adult tell them to stop doing it even though throwing a rock at a person should be considered attempted murder. A person can easily be killed by being hit in the head by a thrown rock. The culture of the Palestinians is wretched and bitter. Europeans and typical western leftists have contributed greatly to this wretched and bitter and terroristic Palestinian culture and this must end now. If we do not denounce this Palestine leadership then at what point do we? Israelis are being murdered in the streets and the Palestine leadership calls for more. It is the duty of every civilized citizen of our global community to stand up for Israelis and call the Palestinian leadership out for what they are and that is terrorists. This madness must stop now.

Palestine is not ready for Statehood. The Palestinian leadership are terrorists and it is the people of Palestine themselves that have elected them. Why in Gods name are people attacking Bibi for trying to point out that the Palestinian culture is and always has been a danger to the people of Israel? Of course it is. Are people blind? The Palestinian leadership are terrorists. What are we going to do about it?

We must protect the people of Israel.

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What's stopping you from going there and putting your life on the line?

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It's easy to send others to war, but not so easy to join the battle, eh?

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It may surprise a few that before Israel was created by the West the 'Palestinians' ran Israel in a peaceful manner. It seems only after the West created an ISRAELI state did the region plunge into chaos. I'd say it was the Israelis who can't manage a peaceful state. Then again would we like Europe seizing a three state area along the coast and turning it into a Muslim state???

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notquiteright said:

It may surprise a few that before Israel was created by the West the 'Palestinians' ran Israel in a peaceful manner. It seems only after the West created an ISRAELI state did the region plunge into chaos. I'd say it was the Israelis who can't manage a peaceful state. Then again would we like Europe seizing a three state area along the coast and turning it into a Muslim state???

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It may only surprise anyone because;

A) The West did not create Israel. Israel was created by the Jewish people, those who lived in the land and those who lived in the diaspora.
B) The land was not ran by "Palestinians", it was ran by the British empire.
C) The region was chaotic prior to the creation of Israel, and was chaotic throughout the entire history of humanity.

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Apocalypse said:

It may only surprise anyone because;

A) The West did not create Israel. Israel was created by the Jewish people, those who lived in the land and those who lived in the diaspora.

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No, the West did create Israel in 1948. Before that Israel did not exist.

B) The land was not ran by "Palestinians", it was ran by the British empire.

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Correct, and before that the Ottomans for many many hundreds of years. But the fact it was locals that ran things under Ottomans for the most part, must have slipped your mind eh?

C) The region was chaotic prior to the creation of Israel, and was chaotic throughout the entire history of humanity.

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Actually it was relatively peaceful during the Ottoman Empire. So again you were wrong.

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As to the OP, Israel can protect itself thankfully.

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PeteEU said:

No, the West did create Israel in 1948. Before that Israel did not exist.

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The first part isn't true, the second obviously is.
Israel was created by the Jewish people and not by any Western power.

Correct, and before that the Ottomans for many many hundreds of years. But the fact it was locals that ran things under Ottomans for the most part, must have slipped your mind eh?

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Nothing slips my mind.
The Ottomans were the ones who ran things, and before that other empires have ran things. It is ignorant to claim that there was a time of democracy in the region prior to the establishment of Israel.

Actually it was relatively peaceful during the Ottoman Empire. So again you were wrong.

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Again I am right. You are referring to a specific point of time before the British have ruled the area and thus you are not strengthening the position that prior to Israel's creation everything was peaceful in the area - which is a statement that is nonsensical and clearly absurdly false and empty of any factual correctness. Furthermore I will point that it wasn't peaceful at all during the Ottoman Empire, considering WWI and other events.

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No, the Palestinians deserve a nation. No Palestinian state solution rhetoric is just throwing oil on a forest fire.

They need to clean their act up though, seems their whole political life is rooted in militancy and extremism. Not that the Israelis are without blame.

As another said, Israel can protect itself. A fact that certain sects of the Palestinian people don't seem to understand.

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Our mistake was allowing Wilson to draw us into WWI. The Ottoman empire was in ruins, the British Raj was in Germany's pocket, and they were actively pursuing Indian insurrection. British Middle East and Gulf oil interests would have fallen to them. Germany's fascism would never have occurred, WWII would never have occurred, the Cold War would never have occurred, the US would have remained more isolationist.

And now I think we should leave the Middle East to the Israelis. They're perfectly capable of handling their light work.

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betuadollar said:

Our mistake was allowing Wilson to draw us into WWI. The Ottoman empire was in ruins, the British Raj was in Germany's pocket, and they were actively pursuing Indian insurrection. British Middle East and Gulf oil interests would have fallen to them. Germany's fascism would never have occurred, WWII would never have occurred, the Cold War would never have occurred, the US would have remained more isolationist.

And now I think we should leave the Middle East to the Israelis. They're perfectly capable of handling their light work.

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Nope.

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Maybe the world could protect both Israelis and Palestinians by giving them citizenship.

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This debate is going no where, just as the last 60+ years of conflict has resulted in little to nothing. Until both sides take an interest in peace there is little to discuss, and as things stand today there is *no one* interested in peace over there.

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Apocalypse said:

It may only surprise anyone because;

A) The West did not create Israel. Israel was created by the Jewish people, those who lived in the land and those who lived in the diaspora.
B) The land was not ran by "Palestinians", it was ran by the British empire.
C) The region was chaotic prior to the creation of Israel, and was chaotic throughout the entire history of humanity.

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A) The West created the Modern State of Israel. Prior to the Balfour Declaration the Zionists were a minority in the Holy lands. There hadn't been an 'Israel' for centuries- it would be like Europe 'restoring' the Native Americans back to prior to the 'Trail of Tears'.

B) The Holy Lands- no Israel at the time- was a British Mandate, local government was in the hands of Arabs.

C) the chaos through history comes from outsiders using the land bridge between Europe/Asia/Africa. Not the Arabs who occupied the region. Lest we forget Hebraic legend. The 'chosen people' were given permission by Yehway to slaughter those who lived there so in theory no one could claim it as their homeland... :shock:

The region enjoyed relative peace once Islam took over... the West attempted various ruses to attempt invasions- none lasted long. But trying to blame the Arabs of the region for the current chaos is like blaming blacks for the civil unrest in the Dirty South in 1964... :roll:

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Luftwaffe said:

Nope.

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I think Israel could handle the entire ME all by its lonesome, provided we served as their supply line.

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Apocalypse said:

As to the OP, Israel can protect itself thankfully.

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Agreed.

Time for the United States to cut the Israeli albatross from around our necks and let Israel fend for itself.

No money, no guns, no technology, etc...

And understand that I don't want to see Palestine "win" so much as I don't really care whether or not Israel loses.

So as far as the OP is concerned, no it's not "time for the world to protect Israel".

It's time, finally, for Israel to sink or swim on her own unilaterally and for her to live with any and all consequences unilaterally.

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notquiteright said:

A) The West created the Modern State of Israel. Prior to the Balfour Declaration the Zionists were a minority in the Holy lands. There hadn't been an 'Israel' for centuries- it would be like Europe 'restoring' the Native Americans back to prior to the 'Trail of Tears'.

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Learn to differ between "A Western nation controlling the land had recognized the Jewish people's right to self determination" and "the West had created Israel". The former is true, the latter is completely false. Israel was created by the Jewish people.

B) The Holy Lands- no Israel at the time- was a British Mandate, local government was in the hands of Arabs.

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Your statement that the land was ran by "Palestinians" is history revisionism. The land was controlled and managed by the British empire since they've taken it from the Ottomans and up until they left and Israel was created.

C) the chaos through history comes from outsiders using the land bridge between Europe/Asia/Africa. Not the Arabs who occupied the region. Lest we forget Hebraic legend. The 'chosen people' were given permission by Yehway to slaughter those who lived there so in theory no one could claim it as their homeland... :shock:

The region enjoyed relative peace once Islam took over... the West attempted various ruses to attempt invasions- none lasted long. But trying to blame the Arabs of the region for the current chaos is like blaming blacks for the civil unrest in the Dirty South in 1964... :roll:

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If you're talking about the time "Islam took over" then you're talking about a completely different era, and a moment ago you were talking about the time prior to Israel's establishment.
The comparison you've made in the second passage is just ridiculous.

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Apocalypse said:

Learn to differ between "A Western nation controlling the land had recognized the Jewish people's right to self determination" and "the West had created Israel". The former is true, the latter is completely false. Israel was created by the Jewish people. Your statement that the land was ran by "Palestinians" is history revisionism. The land was controlled and managed by the British empire since they've taken it from the Ottomans and up until they left and Israel was created. If you're talking about the time "Islam took over" then you're talking about a completely different era, and a moment ago you were talking about the time prior to Israel's establishment. The comparison you've made in the second passage is just ridiculous.

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The British didn't 'recognize' the Zionist movement until AFTER WWII. AFTER WWII Zionism became a good excuse to rid Europe of the Jewish refugees. Arabs can rightly ask' "We didn't kill 6 million Jews and rob the survivors of their property- why are we paying for that???!!!"

For centuries after the last Crusade the West could give a hot damn about Zionism. Israel was created FOR the Jewish people. The British Empire had a mandate for the Middle East- it wasn't part of their Empire.

So now you admit Israel is a modern establishment??? :shock:

You wish to engage in modern revisionism, limit the discussion to a small period prior to creating the modern state of Israel. But history extends far before that. The truth is peace was more the norm until the West invaded and later decided to create the Modern State of Israel and didn't even so much as remember there were Arabs there...

No the creation of the early Hebraic kingdom is relevant- the Tribes document their use of genocide to create their homeland. The creation of a Native American homeland back in the South is a GREAT comparison to what the West did and our continued huge subsidies to maintain a Jewish State is grotesque.

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notquiteright said:

The British didn't 'recognize' the Zionist movement until AFTER WWII. AFTER WWII Zionism became a good excuse to rid Europe of the Jewish refugees. Arabs can rightly ask' "We didn't kill 6 million Jews and rob the survivors of their property- why are we paying for that???!!!"

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They aren't paying for anything, the Jewish people have a right to self-determination in the land where they were formed as a people and that is indisputable. That right was acknowledged by the British by the way 22 years prior to WWII.

You wish to engage in modern revisionism, limit the discussion to a small period prior to creating the modern state of Israel. But history extends far before that. The truth is peace was more the norm until the West invaded and later decided to create the Modern State of Israel and didn't even so much as remember there were Arabs there...

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The West didn't "decide to create the modern state of Israel". The Jewish people have. Arabs were given states of their own in the Middle East.

No the creation of the early Hebraic kingdom is relevant- the Tribes document their use of genocide to create their homeland. The creation of a Native American homeland back in the South is a GREAT comparison to what the West did and our continued huge subsidies to maintain a Jewish State is grotesque.

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It's a ridiculous comparison that shows one holds no knowledge over the history of the conflcit at all.

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Apocalypse said:

The first part isn't true, the second obviously is.
Israel was created by the Jewish people and not by any Western power.

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Boy.... that is utter crap and you know it.

Nothing slips my mind.
The Ottomans were the ones who ran things, and before that other empires have ran things. It is ignorant to claim that there was a time of democracy in the region prior to the establishment of Israel.

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Who the hell said anything about democracy? And have you ever studied how the Ottomans ran things?

Again I am right. You are referring to a specific point of time before the British have ruled the area and thus you are not strengthening the position that prior to Israel's creation everything was peaceful in the area - which is a statement that is nonsensical and clearly absurdly false and empty of any factual correctness. Furthermore I will point that it wasn't peaceful at all during the Ottoman Empire, considering WWI and other events.

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LOL so the Ottoman Empire was just WW1? What about the 300+ years before WW1? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the area known as Palestine was at its most peaceful in relative terms, under the Ottomans. Jews, Muslims and Christians all living side by side in peace.

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PeteEU said:

Boy.... that is utter crap and you know it.

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No, I know it's utter crap to claim that some Western power had decided to create Israel when in reality it was the Zionist movement and its actions that created the state of Israel with the aid of the Jewish Yishuv in the land.

Who the hell said anything about democracy? And have you ever studied how the Ottomans ran things?

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The form of regime where the citizens are running the government is called a Democracy. And I have.

LOL so the Ottoman Empire was just WW1? What about the 300+ years before WW1? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the area known as Palestine was at its most peaceful in relative terms, under the Ottomans. Jews, Muslims and Christians all living side by side in peace.

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First of all note the difference between being peaceful and being "at its most peaceful time in relative terms". The argument was the region was peaceful prior to the establishment of Israel. That is clearly false. Secondly you aren't bursting anyone's bubble because no one had suggested that WWI was going on for the entire time the Ottomans had ruled the land.

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shrubnose said:

What's stopping you from going there and putting your life on the line?

:lol:

It's easy to send others to war, but not so easy to join the battle, eh?

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What is stopping me from going to Israel and what? Are you retarded? What battle do you mean? Terrorists are killing Israelis in the streets. There is no battle.

And who and I sending to what war? Are you even in the right thread?

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World must protect Israelis from nitanyaho and his party too

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