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Netanyahu Says Muslim Leader Convinced Hitler To Kill Jewish People[W:41]

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PeteEU said:
Yes, and far far more assisted the British and allies... why did you forget that?
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We are talking in context of pursecuting Jews and assisting their extermination. Arabs in occupied north Africa assisted the Nazis in this.

Arabs in Palestine rebeled against the British in the 30s, the outcome was restrictions on Jewish immigration, including refugees from Nazi occupied europe. Why wouldnt they assist the british under these circumstances?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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Bib... As much as you want to pin this on the Palestinians, the holocaust was promoted by, implemented by, and was the essential brainchild of Hitler. Its almost like Bibi will say and do whatever is necessary to get attention.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Guys, let's think about this for a second.

Holocaust. What are its roots?
Netanyahu claims they come from Islam.
I'm sorry, Bibi. I think you're the best leader Israel ever had, but history is not on your side.

The seeds of the Holocaust were sown by Charles Darwin and a book called "The Descent Of Man." It led his cousin Francis Galton to create a new junk science called Eugenics.

Great America liberals like George Bernard Shaw, Margaret Sanger, Woodrow Wilson, Oliver Wendel Holmes, etc flocked to this insane idea. It led to involuntary sterilization of many groups of America citizens whom those liberals deemed were inferior breeds. It was adopted by the Germans LONG before Hitler rose to power. Rather that sterilize, the Germans just decided to exterminate.

History News Network | The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
 
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spangledbanner said:
Germans cant even play Wolfenstein. They are a bunch of brainwashed freaks that know nothing of their own history.

And there is no proof of Hitler signing any order to exterminate Jews anyway.

There is a lot of truth to what Bibi is saying. Hitler removed the citizenship of Jews and stamped a J on their passports long before there was any war and he did want them to leave. He even tried to help with finding places for them. Plus people forget that not all Jews in Germany were persecuted. Most Jews that fought for Germany in WW1 were cool with Hitler and could stay and keep their jobs. And also in WW2 150000 Jews fought for Hitler/Germany. Plus a Jew nominated Hitler for a nobel peace prize. But yes Hitler removed citizenship and tried to get Jews to leave but the problem was that nobody would take the Jewish refugees. USA wouldnt take them. Read about the SS Saint Louis full of Jewish refugees trying to escape Europe that came to USA for help and USA shot a warning shot at them and told them to go back to Europe. This actually happened. They almost starved on way back to Europe and many ended up in concentration camps and died.

You can talk about some things that were said in Mein Kampf or the "deadly serious" quote or whatever but the fact is that Hitler certainly did try to get Jews to leave Germany long before the war or any European solution. And yes most of you think that Hitler was some super white supremacist or whatever you took from your Disney cartoons but then why is he allied with Southern Europeans, Spanish, Arabs and Japanese? Funny allies for the man that wanted to bring in the Master Race. What do any of you brainwashed even know about Hitler or WW1 or WW2? Not much at all. You are brainwashed as hell.

Why didnt USA take Jewish refugees when Hitler was trying to expel them?

And we do not know what the Zionists know about discussions between Hitler and the Grand Mufti. But we do know that like Bibi said - initially Hitler wanted to expel the Jews.

In my opinion Himmler has far more responsibility for mass killings of Jews and others than Hitler. There is no proof of any Hitler order to exterminate Jews. And Bibi is right that he tried for a long time to expel the Jews but nobody would take them. Not even USA. Shame!

I would like to know what the Grand Mufti said to Himmler. The two seemed very buddy buddy.

‘To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour Declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory. Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler.’

And did you know why they started gassing and where they got the idea?

The Nazi were having soldiers shoot Jews and also Bolsheviks ( often the same ) at point blank range and shooting them into mass graves. This was causing the German soldiers psychological trauma. Himmler himself witnessed one of the mass shootings and it made him vomit. So they had to think of a better way. And they went through a few ideas before some Nazi guy falls asleep in his car in his garage after getting drunk at some nazi party and the fumes almost kill him. The nazi decide that killing with gas is a good idea. And that is how they decided to use gas chambers and why.

What did the Grand Mufti say to Himmler is what I wonder. Himmler had a lot more to do with this kind of thing than Hitler ever did.

edit- You Americans are going to use gas for Capital Punishment right? Now that Europe wont sell you chemicals for lethal injection. Or are you going with the bullet?
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We do have a Conspiracy Theory section for these forums... just saying.
 
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reason10 said:
Guys, let's think about this for a second.

Holocaust. What are its roots?
Netanyahu claims they come from Islam.
I'm sorry, Bibi. I think you're the best leader Israel ever had, but history is not on your side.

The seeds of the Holocaust were sown by Charles Darwin and a book called "The Descent Of Man." It led his cousin Francis Galton to create a new junk science called Eugenics.

Great America liberals like George Bernard Shaw, Margaret Sanger, Woodrow Wilson, Oliver Wendel Holmes, etc flocked to this insane idea. It led to involuntary sterilization of many groups of America citizens whom those liberals deemed were inferior breeds. It was adopted by the Germans LONG before Hitler rose to power. Rather that sterilize, the Germans just decided to exterminate.

History News Network | The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
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So liberals are the roots of the holocaust?
 
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reason10 said:
Great America liberals like George Bernard Shaw, Margaret Sanger, Woodrow Wilson, Oliver Wendel Holmes, etc flocked to this insane idea. It led to involuntary sterilization of many groups of America citizens whom those liberals deemed were inferior breeds.
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If you want people to take your arguments seriously, making howling gaffes like this isn't the way to go about it. George Bernard Shaw was neither an American, nor a liberal. He was proudly and globally famous for being an Irish socialist.
 
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ido_ said:
We are talking in context of pursecuting Jews and assisting their extermination. Arabs in occupied north Africa assisted the Nazis in this.
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As did French, British, Americans and many many others... but most did not.

Arabs in Palestine rebeled against the British in the 30s,
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And the Jews rebelled before that. Your point being?

the outcome was restrictions on Jewish immigration, including refugees from Nazi occupied europe. Why wouldnt they assist the british under these circumstances?
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Nice history revision there. Restrictions on Jewish immigration to the holy land was due to Zionist terror against the British empire and the Arabs. Also the fact that most people could care less about Jews at the time.

And it still does not change the fact that there were many Arabs and Muslim fighting on the side of the Allies. Now some in the Arab leadership made friends with the Nazies yes, but that had far more to do with independence from the British Empire than any issue with Jews.. which is what Bibi the holocaust denier is trying to push.
 
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PeteEU said:
Nice history revision there. Restrictions on Jewish immigration to the holy land was due to Zionist terror against the British empire and the Arabs. Also the fact that most people could care less about Jews at the time.
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Simply false. The British have, as Ido pointed out correctly, restricted immigration to try and appease the rebelling Arabs. This was not in reaction to the actions of the Irgun and Lehi - that are organizations that have reacted to Arab terrorism, themselves.

And it still does not change the fact that there were many Arabs and Muslim fighting on the side of the Allies. Now some in the Arab leadership made friends with the Nazies yes, but that had far more to do with independence from the British Empire than any issue with Jews.. which is what Bibi the holocaust denier is trying to push.
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You're abusing Netanyahu's ridiculous statement to engage in an absurd history revisionism of your own. The Mufti did indeed push for the extermination of the Jews, Netanyahu is wrong in claiming that this was the decisive factor and his claim is a completely baseless and illogical one, but he is not wrong in pointing that cooperation out. There is enough evidence documenting this. The Arabs who allied themselves with the Nazis did so, just like the Mufti, because they shared ideological enemies - the British empire and the Jewish people. That too has plenty of documentation to it. Your statement is quite a baseless one that relies on your own opinion.
 
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If you want people to take your arguments seriously, making howling gaffes like this isn't the way to go about it.
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Intelligent people right now are taking my arguments seriously. I don't give a rat's ass about anyone else.
George Bernard Shaw was neither an American, nor a liberal. He was proudly and globally famous for being an Irish socialist.
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A socialist isn't a liberal? How IS the weather on your planet?
 
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Ben K. said:
Counterpoint - the decision of various countries to block immigration of Jewish refugees caused the Holocaust. Ergo, all countries should open the floodgates for refugees today.

Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.
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Actually, Charles Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust. It was all his idea.
 
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reason10 said:
Intelligent people right now are taking my arguments seriously.
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I seriously doubt that.

I don't give a rat's ass about anyone else.
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Clearly.

A socialist isn't a liberal?
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No. A socialist is a socialist, and a liberal is a liberal. A socialist isn't a conservative or a communist either, just FYI.
 
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Apocalypse said:
Simply false. The British have, as Ido pointed out correctly, restricted immigration to try and appease the rebelling Arabs. This was not in reaction to the actions of the Irgun and Lehi - that are organizations that have reacted to Arab terrorism, themselves.
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The British restricted Jewish immigration when they realized they had a lite powdekeg, and they didn't want it to go off in their hands. Having previously given gratuatous statements about a Jewish homeland, it was then becoming clear that it wasn't going to work, or at least not without some pretty messy conflict. It was about more than appeasing Arabs, it was about heading off another conflict Britain did not want to deal with, with all the rest that was going on in the world at the time.

Apocalypse said:
You're abusing Netanyahu's ridiculous statement to engage in an absurd history revisionism of your own. The Mufti did indeed push for the extermination of the Jews, Netanyahu is wrong in claiming that this was the decisive factor and his claim is a completely baseless and illogical one, but he is not wrong in pointing that cooperation out. There is enough evidence documenting this. The Arabs who allied themselves with the Nazis did so, just like the Mufti, because they shared ideological enemies - the British empire and the Jewish people. That too has plenty of documentation to it. Your statement is quite a baseless one that relies on your own opinion.
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Arabs were in a very weak position in the 1940's, under the heal of colonial powers, and caught in the middle of a world war. Different groups played to whatever source they thought would do them the most good. Some in Palestine thought the Nazi's would help them with Jewish immigration if they won. Some under French control looked to Britain for support, and some under British influence hoped for French salvation. Some liked the US, and FDR's anti-colonial statements. Any port in a storm.

The Nazi regime was one of the most blatant racist organizations ever seen. To even imagine that Hitler would have had any use for Palestinians whatever, except for some possible cheap and easy leverage, if the Africa Corps ever got that far, is deluded. Jeez, they even though blond haired blue eyed Pols were sub-human. Arabs would have been instantly disposable, once their use was expended. Most probably sensed that.
 
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Ganesh said:
The British restricted Jewish immigration when they realized they had a lite powdekeg, and they didn't want it to go off in their hands. Having previously given gratuatous statements about a Jewish homeland, it was then becoming clear that it wasn't going to work, or at least not without some pretty messy conflict. It was about more than appeasing Arabs, it was about heading off another conflict Britain did not want to deal with, with all the rest that was going on in the world at the time.



Arabs were in a very weak position in the 1940's, under the heal of colonial powers, and caught in the middle of a world war. Different groups played to whatever source they thought would do them the most good. Some in Palestine thought the Nazi's would help them with Jewish immigration if they won. Some under French control looked to Britain for support, and some under British influence hoped for French salvation. Some liked the US, and FDR's anti-colonial statements. Any port in a storm.

The Nazi regime was one of the most blatant racist organizations ever seen. To even imagine that Hitler would have had any use for Palestinians whatever, except for some possible cheap and easy leverage, if the Africa Corps ever got that far, is deluded. Jeez, they even though blond haired blue eyed Pols were sub-human. Arabs would have been instantly disposable, once their use was expended. Most probably sensed that.
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Nothing that I don't agree with, those Arab leaders who cooperated with the Nazis were indeed deluded when they believed that aiding Hitler would serve their cause. This can be said on everyone who cooperated with him. Hitler had no plan for anyone other than the Aryans in his world.
 
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I seriously doubt that.
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Understandable. You are neither nor do you hang out with intelligent people.
No. A socialist is a socialist, and a liberal is a liberal. A socialist isn't a conservative or a communist either, just FYI.
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Today's liberal is according to the Communist Manifesto. All the planks. It's all laid out. And for people like you, it's a pretty easy read. About 60 pages. You'll be in and out in about six months.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
So liberals are the roots of the holocaust?
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Well, just be careful. "Liberal" means very different things at different times, which no doubt you know. And for a time in the 1920s and 1930s, "liberal thought" had a major strain which involved eugenics, improving the state of man through controlling the breeding of the population and the like. With philosophies about the righteousness of eugenics for the human project making the rounds in the philosophies of the left, that some of those would be picked up by a national socialist party intent on leveraging blaming the "other" to account for perceived failings is not really much of a stretch.

Now of course the "liberalism" of the early to mid 20th century (which included some pretty bad strains, like this one on Eugenics and the communist variety which justified, among other things, starving tens of millions of people for the "greater good" among much milder and more positive strains, like new deal liberalism) is obviously different from the liberalism which exists today, with some strains falling out of favour and others becoming more important in the current understanding of liberal progressivism) but it is important to understand these roots to also appreciate certain pitfalls of pushing an ideology too far. While obviously the eugenics thing has been dealt with in modern liberalism, the current ideological movement must always be aware that certain tendencies within its world view, if taken too far, still have the kinds of grossly illiberal views embedded within it (you can see it in the vehemence that certain schools of liberalism seek to quash dissenting speech and sometimes argue about restricting freedoms of those that hold different viewpoints; you can also see it in the seemingly knee jerk reaction that certain groups should almost be treated like automaton dependents, but this is much more subtle).

Conservatism has the same issues with its history of course (though I feel like modern liberals are more in denial about theirs).

All our current western philosophies come from somewhere, and they all have more historical baggage than we would be far better off to acknowledge and be aware of than sweeping them under the carpet and pretend that the current philosophy du jour is and always has been completely pure and clean, while opposing philosophies are dirty.
 
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The topic is not the history of liberalism nor the history of conservatism either. Please stick more closely to the topic in the OP.

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I tend to agree with these sentiments expressed by Saeb Erekat from the link in the OP

"It is a sad day in history when the leader of the Israeli government hates his neighbor so much that he is willing to absolve the most notorious war criminal in history, Adolf Hitler, of the murder of six million Jews,"

Netanyahu is a complete nutcase imo and not just because of this latest abomination
 
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