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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2b0d24-6790-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas dropped his promised bombshell at the UN General Assembly on Wednesday when he threatened to stop abiding by the 1993 Oslo Accords, which have governed the relations between Israel and the Palestinians for over two-decades.
... "Is it not time to end this injustice? Is it not time to stop this suffering? Is it not time for the racist annexation wall to be dismantled?" he asked. "Is it not time to end the racist, terrorist, colonial settlement of our land, which is destroying the two-State solution?"
... "As long as Israel refuses to commit to the agreements signed with us, which render us an authority without real powers, and as long as Israel refuses to cease settlement activities and to release of the fourth group of Palestinian prisoners in accordance with our agreements, they leave us no choice but to insist that we will not remain the only ones committed to the implementation of these agreements, while Israel continuously violates them," Abbas said.

"We cannot continue to be bound by these signed agreements with Israel and Israel must assume fully its responsibilities of an occupying power, because the status quo cannot continue," he said.
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here is a more descriptive article expounding on abbas' speech before the UN:

Abbas threatens to stop abiding by Oslo Accords in UN General Assembly speech - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

the ball is now in both the UN's court and israel's
the next step should prove interesting

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The transcript can be found here:

http://gadebate.un.org/sites/default/files/gastatements/70/70_PS_en.pdf

It should be noted that Article 1 of the Israel-Palestine Liberation Agreement of 1993 ("Oslo Agreement") states:

The aim of the Israeli Palestinian negotiations within the current Middle East peace process is, among other things, to establish a Palestinian Interim Self-Government Authority, the elected Council, (the "Council") for the Palestinian people in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, for a transitional period not exceeding five years, leading to a permanent settlement based on Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

It is understood that the interim arrangements are an integral part of the whole peace process and that the negotiations on the permanent status will lead to implementation of Security Council Resolution 242 and 338.

If the Palestinian move is viewed as abandoning the terms of those agreements, it could lead Israel to take much stronger measures. If Israel believes the Palestinians no longer see themselves bound to a two-state solution, that could make it easier for Israel to annex significant parts of the West Bank that are beyond the areas Israel is likely to retain in a peace agreement.

My guess is that Prime Minister Netanyahu will criticize Abbas' position in tomorrow's General Assembly address, but won't repudiate Israel's commitment to the Oslo Framework. He will point to the Palestinian move as just another counterproductive step aimed at circumventing diplomacy. He may reiterate Israel's willingness to engage in unconditional bilateral talks.
 
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justabubba said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2b0d24-6790-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html



here is a more descriptive article expounding on abbas' speech before the UN:

Abbas threatens to stop abiding by Oslo Accords in UN General Assembly speech - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

the ball is now in both the UN's court and israel's
the next step should prove interesting

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How dare the Palestinians want the Israelis to stop treating them like crap and how dare they want the Israelis to quit taking Palestinian land, don't they know that since jews lived their thousands of years ago that entitles the Israelis to take the Palastinian land today(sarcasm)
 
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justabubba said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2b0d24-6790-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html



here is a more descriptive article expounding on abbas' speech before the UN:

Abbas threatens to stop abiding by Oslo Accords in UN General Assembly speech - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

the ball is now in both the UN's court and israel's
the next step should prove interesting

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LOL.

Who cares what Abbas says? This terrorist group of Nomads nobody wants is nothing but a tool for ME powers to use to mess with Israel.
 
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jamesrage said:
... jews lived their thousands of years ago that entitles the Israelis to take the Palastinian land today(sarcasm)
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Most Hebrews that lived there 2000 years ago became followers of Jesus Christ (this group was originally a Hebrew or Israelite sect), and later many of them converted to Islam.

The word "Jews" in its present meaning did not exist 2000 years ago.

Israelites or Hebrews, who were monotheists, split into two groups 2000 years ago: the followers of Jesus Christ, who became Christians, and the followers of Pharisees, who became Talmudic Jews, or just Jews.

Do not forget that the so called Ethiopian Jews and Karaites are not Talmudic Jews, and these Jews did not need any "Jewish state".

These Jews (who are the real descendants of Hebrews) are victims of Zionism.

Most of today Jews that "return" to Israel are descendants of converts, and their ancestors, that lived 2000 years ago, were pagans who called themselves Berbers, Khazars, Slavs or Arabs.
 
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Art_Allm said:
Most Hebrews that lived there 2000 years ago became followers of Jesus Christ (this group was originally a Hebrew or Israelite sect), and later many of them converted to Islam.

The word "Jews" in its present meaning did not exist 2000 years ago.

Israelites or Hebrews, who were monotheists, split into two groups 2000 years ago: the followers of Jesus Christ, who became Christians, and the followers of Pharisees, who became Talmudic Jews, or just Jews.

Do not forget that the so called Ethiopian Jews and Karaites are not Talmudic Jews, and these Jews did not need any "Jewish state".

These Jews (who are the real descendants of Hebrews) are victims of Zionism.

Most of today Jews that "return" to Israel are descendants of converts, and their ancestors, that lived 2000 years ago, were pagans who called themselves Berbers, Khazars, Slavs or Arabs.
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but they are still jews
they follow and adhere to the jewish tradition

so, it is possible i missed the point. what is the significance of the historic origins of the jews in the region today?
 
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justabubba said:
but they are still jews
they follow and adhere to the jewish tradition

so, it is possible i missed the point. what is the significance of the historic origins of the jews in the region today?
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They claim to return to the land, they claim that they have some special right to the land because of their biological origin, and that is idiotic.

BTW, most Jews do not care about Judaism, but they can still "return" to Israel because of their supposed "special ancestry".

Non-Jewish Semites who were expelled from their homes by Zionist migrants cannot return to their Palestinian homeland.

Can you see the difference?
 
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Art_Allm said:
They claim to return to the land, they claim that they have some special right to the land because of their biological origin, and that is idiotic.

BTW, most Jews do not care about Judaism, but they can still "return" to Israel because of their supposed "special ancestry".

Non-Jewish Semites who were expelled from their homes by Zionist migrants cannot return to their Palestinian homeland.

Can you see the difference?
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Some folks have embraced violence, terrorism and a complete refusal to compromise, while obsessively focusing their national identity on invalidating the rights of others, while the other side has made the most out of opportunities to pursue their national aspirations?

There is only one side in this that gleefully embraces the murder of children and other civilians and whose stock in trade is letting opportunity after opportunity pass by if taking those opportunities meant they could not continue to fight against the existence of the other side.

Palestinians could have had a state 15 years ago, but preferred to reject it to launch a terrorist war against Jewish civilians and to cling to the dream of destroying the state the Jews have built. Their current mess is entirely of their own making.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Some folks have embraced violence, terrorism and a complete refusal to compromise...
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Was Israel not founded by terrorists?


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CJ 2.0 said:
You mean attacking military headquarters? That's what we're trying to play at being terrorism now?
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Are you justifying this terrorist act?
 
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Art_Allm said:
Are you justifying this terrorist act?
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Sure.

No more of a terrorist attack than an attack on any other military target.
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Sure.

No more of a terrorist attack than an attack on any other military target.
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Hmmm.. Justifying terrorist attacks now?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Hmmm.. Justifying terrorist attacks now?
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Like I said, sure, if you want to pretend attacking a military headquarters is the same as sneaking into a residence to stab babies.

Is that what you are trying to do?
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Like I said, sure, if you want to pretend attacking a military headquarters is the same as sneaking into a residence to stab babies.

Is that what you are trying to do?
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So bombing or suicide bombing by various Palestinian militant organizations on Israeli military targets are justified?
 
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The only thing Abbas did was to give cover to further acts of terrorism by the Palestinians.
 
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clownboy said:
Oh, you mean like modern Palestine? Yasser Arafat:

CAMERA: Yasir Arafat's Timeline of Terror
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Actually, not the same at all, of course.

But that's the problem when we let the anti-Israel folks invent the narrative and define terms. Arafat's terrorism was actual, strap bombs onto mentally challenged folks to sneak past soldiers and blow up schoolchildren terrorism.

To pretend that this is the same thing as attacking the military headquarters of an occupation force that worked to systematically disarm Jews and then stand aside as those Jews got massacred by Arabs is the pinnacle of dishonesty (well, everywhere else - when it comes to the anti-Israel crowd it is just part of one really large plateau of dishonesty)
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
So bombing or suicide bombing by various Palestinian militant organizations on Israeli military targets are justified?
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Justified, no. But not terrorism.

And incidentally they are not justified because the core aim of such attacks is not to gain independence but to so fundamentally weaken Israel and Israeli society that it collapses and can be conquored by the Palestinians.

Utterly delusional, I know, but that is the actual purpose behind Palestinian attacks against Israel. And from that perspective, since the motivation for the acts is effectively a crime under real international law (as opposed to the BS "international law" that the anti-Israel crowd use to condemn Israel for defending itself), the actual attacks themselves are also not justified (and illegal).

That's the problem when the core of your national being - the core strategic aim and the core goal that motivates the polity's every action - is a criminal intent to destroy the nation state of an independent people because they are Jews.

Edit: Incidentally, you dodged my question, so I'll give it to you again:

"Like I said, sure, if you want to pretend attacking a military headquarters is the same as sneaking into a residence to stab babies.

Is that what you are trying to do?"

Was that what you were trying to do? To pretend attacking military headquarters is the same thing as sneaking past soldiers to stab babies?
 
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CJ 2.0 said:
Justified, no. But not terrorism.
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So throwing stones at Israeli check points is not terrorism?
How about stabbing Israeli soldiers? Is that not terrorism?
What is this definition for "terrorism" you are using?

And incidentally they are not justified because the core aim of such attacks is not to gain independence but to so fundamentally weaken Israel and Israeli society that it collapses and can be conquored by the Palestinians.
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Maybe, maybe not

Utterly delusional, I know, but that is the actual purpose behind Palestinian attacks against Israel.
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You know this how?

And from that perspective, since the motivation for the acts is effectively a crime under real international law (as opposed to the BS "international law" that the anti-Israel crowd use to condemn Israel for defending itself), the actual attacks themselves are also not justified (and illegal).
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What? So the "real international" law is what? The standards Israel sets for themselves? So ignore "international law" that shows that Israel is breaking it but accept this other "international law"? So pick and choose? Which I have often time criticized you for doing...

That's the problem when the core of your national being - the core strategic aim and the core goal that motivates the polity's every action - is a criminal intent to destroy the nation state of an independent people because they are Jews.
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Its because they are "jews"? Thats the one and only variable?

Edit: Incidentally, you dodged my question, so I'll give it to you again:
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Your question is outrageous.
"Like I said, sure, if you want to pretend attacking a military headquarters is the same as sneaking into a residence to stab babies.
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I dont

Is that what you are trying to do?"
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No

Was that what you were trying to do? To pretend attacking military headquarters is the same thing as sneaking past soldiers to stab babies?
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Yes. You caught me. :roll:
Like I said. Outrageous question.
 
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In my opinion...

TheDemSocialist said:
So throwing stones at Israeli check points is not terrorism?
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no
How about stabbing Israeli soldiers? Is that not terrorism?
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Depends whether he is on duty or off duty, stabbing a soldier in a bus station in central israel, is terrorism.
 
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