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Palestinians Pretty Much Living What the American Indians Experienced [W:41]

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Look closely in the mirror called Gaza. What you see there is exactly what Americans did to another conquered group of people.

gaza_2007_map_correct_passia.png


Where Are They Supposed To Go? « The Dish
Telling a hospital to evacuate or be bombed is what Israel has descended to. That the Israelis need to harden themselves in the face of such slaughter from the skies does not remove the stain. In some ways, it intensifies it. The rhetoric of Israel and its reliable supporters reflect this fact. They have to assign responsibility to Hamas for every child they kill. The alternative – the truth – is too painful for them to absorb. And so the dehumanization intensifies. Zack Beauchamp captions the map above, which illustrates how trapped the Gazans are:
Isolation, restricted movement, no where to hunt or fish or do much of anything. Hmm..where have I seen this before?

http://www.oneofmanyfeathers.com/images/aicensus.gif
American Indian Reservations
 
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Look closely in the mirror called Gaza. What you see there is exactly what Americans did to another conquered group of people.

gaza_2007_map_correct_passia.png


Where Are They Supposed To Go? « The Dish

Isolation, restricted movement, no where to hunt or fish or do much of anything.
Hmm..where have I seen this before?
http://www.oneofmanyfeathers.com/images/aicensus.gif
American Indian Reservations




Alternately, take a look at at South Africa and the history of apartheid there.

I'm not saying that it's the same, but there are lots of similarities between South Africa's treatment of Blacks and Israel's treatment of Palestinians.




"All of the problems that we face in the USA today can be traced to an unenlightened immigration policy on the part of the American Indian."
~ Pat Paulsen
 
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Look closely in the mirror called Gaza. What you see there is exactly what Americans did to another conquered group of people.

gaza_2007_map_correct_passia.png


Where Are They Supposed To Go? « The Dish

Isolation, restricted movement, no where to hunt or fish or do much of anything. Hmm..where have I seen this before?

http://www.oneofmanyfeathers.com/images/aicensus.gif
American Indian Reservations
You've seen it in any other conflict on the face of this planet. Its called siege.
Gaza by the way have a border with Egypt.
 
Alternately, take a look at at South Africa and the history of apartheid there.

I'm not saying that it's the same, but there are lots of similarities between South Africa's treatment of Blacks and Israel's treatment of Palestinians.
All three are good examples of the ugly in human nature.
 
Look closely in the mirror called Gaza. What you see there is exactly what Americans did to another conquered group of people.
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Isolation, restricted movement, no where to hunt or fish or do much of anything. Hmm..where have I seen this before?
http://www.oneofmanyfeathers.com/images/aicensus.gif
American Indian Reservations
Recent activity in the Middle East has lead to an 'Outbreak' of amateur-hour posts. Most Parroting the palestinian narrative. The above from Andrew Sullivan.

Were American Indians ever offered HALF of America?
I missed it.
Did Anglos live in America for hundreds/Thousands of years before the Indians?
Did Anglos live in America Continuously, if oft in small number, for 3000 years?
Palestinians, including those who make up the Majority of Jordan (77% of the British Mandate), got made a fair offer in 1948.. for an additional half of 'Lesser Palestine'.

That said, I have always been for secure and slightly larger Israel than the 1967 lines... as per Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html
BUT I do Not agree with Israel's current encirclement/shrinking policy.
I believe everything behind the Green Line (near-in contiguous settlements) should become Israel, whether land-swapped or not.
But no more.
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Recent activity in the Middle East has lead to an 'Outbreak' of amateur-hour posts. Most Parroting the palestinian narrative. The above from Andrew Sullivan.

Were American Indians ever offered HALF of America?
I missed it.
Did Anglos live in America for hundreds/Thousands of years before the Indians?
Did Anglos live in America Continuously, if oft in small number, for 3000 years?
Palestinians, including those who make up the Majority of Jordan (77% of the British Mandate), got made a fair offer in 1948.. for an additional half of 'Lesser Palestine'.

That said, I have always been for secure and slightly larger Israel than the 1967 lines... as per Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html
BUT I do Not agree with Israel's current encirclement/shrinking policy.
I believe everything behind the Green Line (near-in contiguous settlements) should become Israel, whether land-swapped or not.
But no more.
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I don;t agree. The Palestinians were never really given a fair shake, and their country was basically stolen by the US and Great Britain who then gave it to Israel along with adequate weapons to crush the Arab coalition.
 
You've seen it in any other conflict on the face of this planet. Its called siege.
Gaza by the way have a border with Egypt.
Egypt? Camp David accords took them out of the mix...it also made Egypt the pariah among the Arab League.
 
Recent activity in the Middle East has lead to an 'Outbreak' of amateur-hour posts. Most Parroting the palestinian narrative. The above from Andrew Sullivan.

Were American Indians ever offered HALF of America?
I missed it.
Did Anglos live in America for hundreds/Thousands of years before the Indians?
Did Anglos live in America Continuously, if oft in small number, for 3000 years?
Palestinians, including those who make up the Majority of Jordan (77% of the British Mandate), got made a fair offer in 1948.. for an additional half of 'Lesser Palestine'.

That said, I have always been for secure and slightly larger Israel than the 1967 lines... as per Res 242.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...n-242-1967-borders-illegal-even-occupied.html
BUT I do Not agree with Israel's current encirclement/shrinking policy.
I believe everything behind the Green Line (near-in contiguous settlements) should become Israel, whether land-swapped or not.
But no more.
`

Do these contrasts highlight the comparison?

Do items need to be identical before comparing them can be a useful way to discuss them?
 
I don;t agree. The Palestinians were never really given a fair shake, and their country was basically stolen by the US and Great Britain who then gave it to Israel along with adequate weapons to crush the Arab coalition.
You don't agree because you don't know what you're talking about. (not that facts ever change political Bias)
Consistently, you did Not/Could not even address my points.
"I disagree"/"no" is NOT debate, it's empty contrariness.
"Palestine" was never a self-governing country since it was called 'Israel'.
There was No 'Palestine' except as a general map designation.. like Antarctica or Asia.
Based on populations and history, Palestinians got more than a fair offer.
Arabs got 87% of the British Mandate and Half of Israel's 13% was the Negev Desert.

Additionally addressed:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/48220-myth-1-israel-stolen-land.html


Simon W Moon said:
Do these contrasts highlight the comparison?
Do items need to be identical before comparing them can be a useful way to discuss them?
I used specifics to address calamity's post. You are emptily cheerleading without making Any points/comparisons/contrasts.
 
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Were American Indians ever offered HALF of America?
I missed it.

Do you think the Indians would have accepted such an offer concerning their own land?

Did Anglos live in America for hundreds/Thousands of years before the Indians?

If you are trying to claim the existence of Hebrews, and thus Israel as a country, in antiquity, then your comparison is a mythical connection with no historic significance other than the bible, which is not a historical document. But outside the arbitrary nonsense that it was given to them by god (who then took it away), if we considered that there was some historic value to your idea.....

Did Anglos live in America Continuously, if oft in small number, for 3000 years?
Palestinians, including those who make up the Majority of Jordan (77% of the British Mandate), got made a fair offer in 1948.. for an additional half of 'Lesser Palestine'.

.....I’m sure it makes no difference to the majority of Palestinians who had lived there for so many generations. You cite the idea of the “Arabs” being given all of Jordan and the lesser half of Palestine as if the majority of Arabs/Palestinians living in the areas given to Israel by a third party (Britain) should just pick up and move, without any consideration to the right of self-determination.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion


That said, I have always been for secure and slightly larger Israel than the 1967 lines... as per Res 242.
Page Not Found - Debate Politics Forums (Resolution 242; 1967 Borders; "illegal" even "Occupied")
BUT I do Not agree with Israel's current encirclement/shrinking policy.
I believe everything behind the Green Line (near-in contiguous settlements) should become Israel, whether land-swapped or not.
But no more. .

I disagree with Resolution 242 being the recognized borders since this is land acquired through military war/conquest expressly forbidden by international law (UN Charter, 4th Geneva Convention, Hague Regulation). My first inclination is that there should have been no giving of land by a third party for a “Jewish” state as it is counterintuitive to the right and freedom of religion and the self-determination of the people living on that land. The original 1948 borders were not agreed to by Palestinian protest. Yet, statehood was announced and accepted without any consolation to those protests. They were not given a fair bid. Under those circumstances I think it more right that Israel confine itself to those borders to which it originally agreed.
 
You don't agree because you don't know what you're talking about. (not that facts ever change political Bias)
Consistently, you did Not/Could not even address my points.
"I disagree"/"no" is NOT debate, it's empty contrariness.
"Palestine" was never a self-governing country since it was called 'Israel'.
There was No 'Palestine' except as a general map designation.. like Antarctica or Asia.
Based on populations and history, Palestinians got more than a fair offer.
Arabs got 87% of the British Mandate and Half of Israel's 13% was the Negev Desert.

Additionally addressed:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/48220-myth-1-israel-stolen-land.html


I used specifics to address calamity's post. You are emptily cheerleading without making Any points/comparisons/contrasts.
Israel is what's a fictitious construct. THe people of that area called Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. But for the religious differences, discounting the recent Jewish immigrants form around the world, they are all the same people.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.[31] Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. Though Palestinian Jews made up part of the population of Palestine prior to the creation of the State of Israel, few identify as "Palestinian" today. Acculturation, independent from conversion to Islam, resulted in Palestinians being linguistically and culturally Arab.[16] The vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. Many Arab citizens of Israel including Palestinians are bilingual and fluent in Hebrew.
 
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Egypt? Camp David accords took them out of the mix...it also made Egypt the pariah among the Arab League.
So Israel closing the border with an entity which is terrorizing her citizens is similar to treatment of Native Americans but Egypt closing the border with a neighboring Arab entity is just fine.
 
So Israel closing the border with an entity which is terrorizing her citizens is similar to treatment of Native Americans but Egypt closing the border with a neighboring Arab entity is just fine.
Israel is not a neighboring country. And Egypt has not been acting independent for over 30 years. They do what we tell them.
 
Israel is what's a fictitious construct. THe people of that area called Palestinians have been there for thousands of years. But for the religious differences, discounting the recent Jewish immigrants form around the world, they are all the same people.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1. You didn't answer my post at all.
You didn't address my pointing out the division was plenty Fair.
You are UNAWARE of the history of the last 70/100/150 years and had No answer to my showing the relative fairness of the Partition.

2. Your new link does NOT disagree with my contention (Refutation of your BS) there has had never been a self-governing political entity Palestine.

So instead, and Deflecting, you go to the Wiki entry for 'Palestinian People', who are by it's own description are a Mish-Mash of local groups, including Jews...and ergo could have just as easily become part of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, or the Newer Israel genetically.

3. So local arabs/arabized peoples got Jordan, and were further offered a New 100% Arab Muslim state 'palestine', a well as some/minority being part of the Jewish state, Israel. Quite consistent with the Gene pool YOU posted. Not unfair to give the Jews the majority Jewish areas and the sparse Negev Desert.

In fact, Jordan ANNEXED the WB in 1949 and Palestinians joined their brethren as citizens of that state until Jordan Lost the WB to Israel in the 1967 War.
You can thank Israel for this Identity that wasn't going anywhere until Hussein lost it.

Palestine was a crossroads of many peoples and large and Continuous MIX.
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

4. In fact, up until the Jews called took the name 'Israel' for their state, it was Mainly THEY, Not Arabs, who called themselves 'Palestinians'!

Palestinians" [are an] Arab people No one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of Propaganda... As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the Only persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews, with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.
- David Basch


"...Palestine does not belong to the "Palestinians" and never did. They did not even call themselves Palestinians until the middle 1960s. Before that, the word "Palestinian" meant "Jewish," while the local Arabs called themselves simply "Arabs."
The creation of the PLO by Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1964 was a brilliant ploy to distort the parameters of the dispute, largely for propaganda purposes.
It was inconvenient to have a conflict between 20-odd Arab states with an area 530 times greater than Israel, a population more than 30 times greater than Israel's and enormously richer natural resources.
Far better to Invent a "Palestinian" nation that would be the eternal "underdog," - a nation consisting partly of Immigrants from Syria and other Arab countries who came to benefit from the rapidly growing economy Zionist Jews created..."
- westerndefense.org


"There is No language known as Palestinian. - There is No distinct Palestinian culture.
There has Never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another Recent Invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9% of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1% of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough....""
- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist


So before the creation of the State of Israel, who were the Palestinians?


Until 1950, the name of the Jerusalem Post was THE PALESTINE POST;
the journal of the Zionist Organization of America was NEW PALESTINE;
Bank Leumi was the ANGLO-PALESTINE BANK;
the Israel Electric Company was the PALESTINE ELECTRIC COMPANY;
there was the PALESTINE FOUNDATION FUND and.... the PALESTINE PHILHARMONIC.
All these were JEWISH organizations.
In America, Zionist youngsters sang "PALESTINE, MY PALESTINE", "PALESTINE SCOUT SONG" and "PALESTINE SPRING SONG" In general, the terms Palestine and Palestinian referred to the region of Palestine as it was. Thus "Palestinian Jew" and "Palestinian Arab" are straightforward expressions. "Palestine Post" and "Palestine Philharmonic" refer to these bodies as they existed in a place then known as Palestine.
The adoption of a Palestinian identity by the Arabs of Palestine is a Recent phenomenon.
Until the establishment of the State of Israel, and for another Decade or so, the term Palestinian applied almost Exclusively to the Jews.
- Palestinians - The Peace FAQ
 
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Do you think the Indians would have accepted such an offer concerning their own land?
Absolutely Yes.
Both Arabs (not Palestinians per se) and Jews had been promised Independence in 1917 and both knew it.
Due to post-WW1 British sympathies/spoils for the Arabs, Jews got Less than promised by the Brits and League of Nations.

I might further add, the Arabs DID Agree to not just some/Half, but ALL of Palestine becoming The Jewish State!
'calamity' too, Check it out!

The main purpose of the Mandate was to create a national homeland for the Jews in Palestine.
In fact, the promise to the Jews was for All of what is now Israel and Palestine.
Faisal, who got the Arabs all the rest, including 'Iraq' and 'Jordan', the latter 77% of the Mandate, had himself agreed to that.

That's right, the 1919 agreement BETWEEN the Arab state and Palestine/The JEWISH one.

This agreement was never carried out.
But posted to show State of Mind of the Time.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...aisaltext.html
Faisal-Weizman agreement 1919

His Royal Highness the Emir FAISAL, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ, AND Dr. Chaim Weizmann, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization, mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following articles:

Article I
The Arab State and Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

Article II
Immediately following the completion of deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries BETWEEN the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.

Article III
In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantees for carrying into effect the British Government’s Declaration of the 2nd of November, 1917 (Balfour Declaration-SEH).

Article IV
All necessary measures will be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale, and as quickly as possible
to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasants and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
[.......]​


TML said:
If you are trying to claim the existence of Hebrews, and thus Israel as a country, in antiquity, then your comparison is a mythical connection with no historic significance other than the bible, which is not a historical document. But outside the arbitrary nonsense that it was given to them by god (who then took it away), if we considered that there was some historic value to your idea.....
I was only Answering Relative to the OP Claim made, vs American Indians.
In this respect, the Jewish Claim and History there was a better one than Anglos, (in America or Australia) where No such history/continuous presence existed.


TML said:
.....I’m sure it makes no difference to the majority of Palestinians who had lived there for so many generations. You cite the idea of the “Arabs” being given all of Jordan and the lesser half of Palestine as if the majority of Arabs/Palestinians living in the areas given to Israel by a third party (Britain) should just pick up and move, without any consideration to the right of self-determination.
NO one was going to be Displaced by the Partition.
Muslim Arabs would get a near 100% state of the same (after getting Jordan as well), and a Minority would become Full Citizens under Israeli sovereignty, democratic sovereignty.

TML said:
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." -- David Ben Gurion
Here are some other Ben Gurions:

"Under No circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them. Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement, should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price."
1920

The usually reversed:
"We do Not wish, we do Not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves And the Arabs."
1937


"Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of Full and Equal citizenship and due Representation in All its institutions, provisional and permanent."
1948, Israel's Proclamation of Independence (Israel attacked the next day)



TML said:
I disagree with Resolution 242 being the recognized borders since this is land acquired through military war/conquest expressly forbidden by international law (UN Charter, 4th Geneva Convention, Hague Regulation). My first inclination is that there should have been no giving of land by a third party for a “Jewish” state as it is counterintuitive to the right and freedom of religion and the self-determination of the people living on that land. The original 1948 borders were not agreed to by Palestinian protest. Yet, statehood was announced and accepted without any consolation to those protests. They were not given a fair bid. Under those circumstances I think it more right that Israel confine itself to those borders to which it originally agreed.
Geneva convention didn't apply.
There was No legal Sovereign, Palestinian rejected it in Res 181, Jordan illegally annexed it.
Limbo Land since the Ottomans lost it to the Brits, oh wait, but that's 'war'.
And of course, you Ignored the Overwhelming statements of the almost All the main Drafters of said Resolution I cited. That Resolution was what passed and to this day is the only recognized basis for peace by both parties.

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1. You didn't answer my post at all.
You didn't address my pointing out the division was plenty Fair.
You are UNAWARE of the history of the last 70/100/150 years and had No answer to my showing the relative fairness of the Partition.

2. Your new link does NOT disagree with my contention (Refutation of your BS) there has had never been a self-governing political entity Palestine.

So instead, and Deflecting, you go to the Wiki entry for 'Palestinian People', who are by it's own description are a Mish-Mash of local groups, including Jews...and ergo could have just as easily become part of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, or the Newer Israel genetically.

3. So local arabs/arabized peoples got Jordan, and were further offered a New 100% Arab Muslim state 'palestine', a well as some/minority being part of the Jewish state, Israel. Quite consistent with the Gene pool YOU posted. Not unfair to give the Jews the majority Jewish areas and the sparse Negev Desert.

In fact, Jordan ANNEXED the WB in 1949 and Palestinians joined their brethren as citizens of that state until Jordan Lost the WB to Israel in the 1967 War.
You can thank Israel for this Identity that wasn't going anywhere until Hussein lost it.

Palestine was a crossroads of many peoples and large and Continuous MIX.
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

4. In fact, up until the Jews called took the name 'Israel' for their state, it was Mainly THEY, Not Arabs, who called themselves 'Palestinians'!

It's land being stolen from the indigenous just like Europeans stole the Americas.
 
1. You didn't answer my post at all.
You didn't address my pointing out the division was plenty Fair.
You are UNAWARE of the history of the last 70/100/150 years and had No answer to my showing the relative fairness of the Partition.

2. Your new link does NOT disagree with my contention (Refutation of your BS) there has had never been a self-governing political entity Palestine.

So instead, and Deflecting, you go to the Wiki entry for 'Palestinian People', who are by it's own description are a Mish-Mash of local groups, including Jews...and ergo could have just as easily become part of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, or the Newer Israel genetically.

3. So local arabs/arabized peoples got Jordan, and were further offered a New 100% Arab Muslim state 'palestine', a well as some/minority being part of the Jewish state, Israel. Quite consistent with the Gene pool YOU posted. Not unfair to give the Jews the majority Jewish areas and the sparse Negev Desert.

In fact, Jordan ANNEXED the WB in 1949 and Palestinians joined their brethren as citizens of that state until Jordan Lost the WB to Israel in the 1967 War.
You can thank Israel for this Identity that wasn't going anywhere until Hussein lost it.

Palestine was a crossroads of many peoples and large and Continuous MIX.
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

4. In fact, up until the Jews called took the name 'Israel' for their state, it was Mainly THEY, Not Arabs, who called themselves 'Palestinians'!

Palestinians" [are an] Arab people No one heard of before 1967 before Israeli governments certified this piece of Propaganda... As has been noted many times before, prior to 1948, that is before Jews had begun to call themselves Israelis, the Only persons known as "Palestinians" were Jews, with the Arabs much preferrring to identify themselves as part of the great Arab nation.
- David Basch


"...Palestine does not belong to the "Palestinians" and never did. They did not even call themselves Palestinians until the middle 1960s. Before that, the word "Palestinian" meant "Jewish," while the local Arabs called themselves simply "Arabs."
The creation of the PLO by Gamal Abdul Nasser in 1964 was a brilliant ploy to distort the parameters of the dispute, largely for propaganda purposes.
It was inconvenient to have a conflict between 20-odd Arab states with an area 530 times greater than Israel, a population more than 30 times greater than Israel's and enormously richer natural resources.
Far better to Invent a "Palestinian" nation that would be the eternal "underdog," - a nation consisting partly of Immigrants from Syria and other Arab countries who came to benefit from the rapidly growing economy Zionist Jews created..."
- westerndefense.org


"There is No language known as Palestinian. - There is No distinct Palestinian culture.
There has Never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.
Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another Recent Invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9% of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1% of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough....""
- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist


So before the creation of the State of Israel, who were the Palestinians?

Until 1950, the name of the Jerusalem Post was THE PALESTINE POST;
the journal of the Zionist Organization of America was NEW PALESTINE;
Bank Leumi was the ANGLO-PALESTINE BANK;
the Israel Electric Company was the PALESTINE ELECTRIC COMPANY;
there was the PALESTINE FOUNDATION FUND and.... the PALESTINE PHILHARMONIC.
All these were JEWISH organizations.
In America, Zionist youngsters sang "PALESTINE, MY PALESTINE", "PALESTINE SCOUT SONG" and "PALESTINE SPRING SONG" In general, the terms Palestine and Palestinian referred to the region of Palestine as it was. Thus "Palestinian Jew" and "Palestinian Arab" are straightforward expressions. "Palestine Post" and "Palestine Philharmonic" refer to these bodies as they existed in a place then known as Palestine.
The adoption of a Palestinian identity by the Arabs of Palestine is a Recent phenomenon.
Until the establishment of the State of Israel, and for another Decade or so, the term Palestinian applied almost Exclusively to the Jews.
- Palestinians - The Peace FAQ

Good to see the truth being posted.
 
It's land being stolen from the indigenous just like Europeans stole the Americas.
You'll have to be alot more elaborate to even try making your false point and Mangled definition of 'Stolen'.
Every country/Area was 'settled' by someone.
The Japanese settled the Islands and out-populated the Ainu.
And Ainu, American Indians etc, never got other states as Arabs did Jordan, or get offered a Second state.. either. Though the Jews, unlike most, had Millennia of history and Continuous Presence in the land that eventually got Renamed Israel.

You don't have the knowledge and can't back your opinion.
This is "DEBATEpolitics, not "I'm-right.com"

BTW, we're all waiting for the 'human rightsers' to start a string demanding justice for the Kurds, a far larger and and more distinct people who never got offered anything.
Oh, but wait, the Jews have to grab an inch of 'their land' first. Then it will be 'Occupied' and the UN go into emergency session. Right now only Arabs and Iranians rule it.
 
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You'll have to be alot more elaborate to even try making your false point and Mangled definition of 'Stolen'.
Every country/Area was 'settled' by someone.
The Japanese settled the Islands and out-populated the Ainu.
And Ainu, American Indians etc, never got other states as Arabs did Jordan, or get offered a Second state.. either. Though the Jews, unlike most, had Millennia of history and Continuous Presence in the land that eventually got Renamed Israel.

You don't have the knowledge and can't back your opinion.
This is "DEBATEpolitics, not "I'm-right.com"

BTW, we're all waiting for the 'human rightsers' to start a string demanding justice for the Kurds, a far larger and and more distinct people who never got offered anything.
Oh, but wait, the Jews have to grab an inch of 'their land' first. Then it will be 'Occupied' and the UN go into emergency session. Right now only Arabs and Iranians rule it.

You're using facts to counter emotions...
 
You'll have to be alot more elaborate to even try making your false point and Mangled definition of 'Stolen'.
Every country/Area was 'settled' by someone.
The Japanese settled the Islands and out-populated the Ainu.
And Ainu, American Indians etc, never got other states as Arabs did Jordan, or get offered a Second state.. either. Though the Jews, unlike most, had Millennia of history and Continuous Presence in the land that eventually got Renamed Israel.

You don't have the knowledge and can't back your opinion.
This is "DEBATEpolitics, not "I'm-right.com"

BTW, we're all waiting for the 'human rightsers' to start a string demanding justice for the Kurds, a far larger and and more distinct people who never got offered anything.
Oh, but wait, the Jews have to grab an inch of 'their land' first. Then it will be 'Occupied' and the UN go into emergency session. Right now only Arabs and Iranians rule it.

I understand conquering. And, I have no issue with it. However, I do take issue with BS about justifying a land grab with claims that try painting it as something it is not. THe strong take from the weak. Period.
 
You're using facts to counter emotions...

Actually no. The BS saying this land belongs to Israel due to some notion that it was their land thousands of years ago is crap. THe land became Israel in 1948 when the Superpowers bequeathed it to them and displaced the Palestinians. Arguing anything more is fantasy.
 
I don;t agree. The Palestinians were never really given a fair shake, and their country was basically stolen by the US and Great Britain who then gave it to Israel along with adequate weapons to crush the Arab coalition.

Jews got the areas with a Jewish majority, and Palestinians got the areas with an Arab majority. That seems like a fair shake to me, unless "fairness" precludes Jews from gaining any land of their own just because many of them happened not to have been born there.
 
Jews got the areas with a Jewish majority, and Palestinians got the areas with an Arab majority. That seems like a fair shake to me, unless "fairness" precludes Jews from gaining any land of their own just because many of them happened not to have been born there.

Buddy also seems to be ignoring that Israel's majority population are Jews from Arab countries who were systematically ethnically cleansed from the Arab world, which as we see with Christians now would have happened eventually.

Good they had somewhere to go this time around on account of the Jews remedying their statelessness.

And the UN did not give Israel to the Jews. The Jews created their state on their own and defended it on their own. The UN recognized reality.
 
Jews got the areas with a Jewish majority, and Palestinians got the areas with an Arab majority. That seems like a fair shake to me, unless "fairness" precludes Jews from gaining any land of their own just because many of them happened not to have been born there.

It's not that simple.
Palestine 1918 to 1948

In August 1929, relations between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine broke down. The focal point of this discontent was Jerusalem.

The primary cause of trouble was the increased influx of Jews who had emigrated to Palestine. The number of Jews in the region had doubled in ten years

...Many Jews had fought for the Allies during World War Two and had developed their military skills as a result. After the war ended in 1945, these skills were used in acts of terrorism. The new Labour Government of Britain had given the Jews hope that they would be given more rights in the area. Also in the aftermath of the Holocaust in Europe, many throughout the world were sympathetic to the plight of the Jews at the expense of the Arabs in Palestine...

In 1947, the newly formed United Nations accepted the idea to partition Palestine into a zone for the Jews (Israel) and a zone for the Arabs (Palestine). With this United Nations proposal, the British withdrew from the region on May 14th 1948. Almost immediately, Israel was attacked by Arab nations that surrounded in a war that lasted from May 1948 to January 1949. Palestinian Arabs refused to recognise Israel and it became the turn of the Israeli government itself to suffer from terrorist attacks when fedayeen (fanatics) from the Palestinian Arabs community attacked Israel. Such attacks later became more organised with the creation of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO). To the Palestinian Arabs, the area the Jews call Israel, will always be Palestine. To the Jews it is Israel. There have been very few years of peace in the region since 1948.
 
Buddy also seems to be ignoring that Israel's majority population are Jews from Arab countries who were systematically ethnically cleansed from the Arab world, which as we see with Christians now would have happened eventually.

Good they had somewhere to go this time around on account of the Jews remedying their statelessness.

And the UN did not give Israel to the Jews. The Jews created their state on their own and defended it on their own. The UN recognized reality.

Uh, you do know that Palestine was under British Occupation since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Correct?

same article as above said:
Palestine is the name (first referred to by the Ancient Greeks) of an area in the Middle East situated between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Palestine was absorbed into the Ottoman Empire in 1517 and remained under the rule of the Turks until World War One. Towards the end of this war, the Turks were defeated by the British forces led by General Allenby. In the peace talks that followed the end of the war, parts of the Ottoman Empire were handed over to the French to control and parts were handed over to the British – including Palestine. Britain governed this area under a League of Nations mandate from 1920 to 1948.
 
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