GySgt

I know what you mean. I walked this route for a little bit. It goes no where.

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Semper Fidelis
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scourge99

. So what's your point? Are you telling me you KNOW that the Japenese and all its military might would have given up without the atom bomb? All of history and all of the people who were in the know predicted otherwise. Its only you, the tinfoil hat bearers, and propagandists who think it was some evil American conspiracy. :

Invasion and occupation in a hostile country is extremely costly. Japan was far from defeat on their homeland. Go read some history on the very effective, many times suicidal, tactics they used for our invasions of the outlying islands. The Japanese were selfless fearless fighters and a bloodbath would ensue if we were forced into a land invasion of Japan.



You have NOTHING but speculation that is inconsistent with any reputable historian or informed witness. Your argument is dead in the water. What's your next topic? The 9/11 conspiracy or the moon landing.

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Volker

I don't want to inflame someone most time and I don't want to educate someone most time. We are sharing information and views, often I can learn something from it.

I never treated Americans this way.

This is nothing personal about you or someone else posting on DebatePolitics.

America can change, this happened before.

I don't think, my words fall on deaf ears because I see, how threads and polls develop sometimes.

Volker

I don't know one single German who actually feels shame about the history.

Volker

I don't think, they are. I have never had a bad experience with Americans in real life, I have been in America and have met Americans and they were all nice, this includes people from the military. Many of my family members are Americans, my uncle was an American officer and I visited him for some weeks, he lived close to Camp Pendleton. He was a very nice person.

Volker

There was progress in negotiating a peace, it was only about the conditions.

Invasion would have not been necessary by agreeing about conditions. In the other case, the Soviet Army would have done it from the north and they turned out to be strong and smart enough to avoid many victims on both sides in Manchuria.

No, this is speculation about reputable historians or informed witnesses on your part.

Ethereal

Is that what you think is happening? The vast majority of this forum despises or ignores you, and you still espouse your hatred of American troops and your dislike of America in general, so what exchange do you think is occuring and what, exactly, have you learned?

Perhaps you never meant to intentionally come off this way, but the fact remains that you are percieved in this way.

It becomes very personal when you wish death upon American service members as many of us are service members or know someone who is. If you cannot see this then you have a mental defect. I'm simply wondering what you think you'll accomplish by calling American troops criminals and wishing death upon them. Do you think we'll eventually agree with you or are you just doing it to make people angry?

So, you are trying to effect a change in America?

Just because people respond to your vitriol doesn't mean they are being receptive to your ideas. I can assure you that about ninety-nine percent of this forum thinks about ninety-nine percent of your ideas aren't worth consideration. You are despised or ignored by every reputable poster in this forum. Your only ally is 1069, and needless to say, that means absolutely nada.

Yet you wish he was dead?

Volker

I have learnt a lot here about what is going on in the world and how people see things. I don't know about the vast majority of the forum, I only know about people, I communicate with.

This is possible.

You can take a look of what American troops do and find out yourself.

Maybe I can help a little bit.

I don't know about ninety-nine per cent of this forum, I only know about the people I communicate with.

I never did, he was a very fine guy with a lot of humour. People liked him, he had many friends, German friends and Japanese friends, too. He was stationed in Ansbach and Okinawa and in many other places. I liked him and I am glad, that I had the chance to get to know him. Probably you would have liked him, too, if you had met him. Maybe you met him.

Ethereal

Well, those who adress you don't seem to care for you, and the rest of the forum simply doesn't adress you at all. I'm only adressing you out of morbid curiosity.

That's because it's true.

That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking you do you point these things out in an attempt to sway people or anger them? Furthermore, I was in Iraq for seven months as a Marine and I did nothing immoral nor did my fellow Marines. We brought food, generators, oil, clean water, provided medical care, and defended ourselves when necessary in a manner consummate with the Geneva conventions. Is this to say that American troops do no act immoraly in times of war? Absolutely not. There are some who do, but does this mean you should apply said standard to all American troops? Do you wish I had died while I was in Iraq? Also, you called me a criminal once, do you still feel this is true?

Not if you continue acting as you have.

But he is an American Marine. I thought you wished death upon all American service members. Or do you pick and choose which one's you want to die based on personal acquaintice and proximity? Would you tell a random Marine you wished death upon him? What if it turned out to be me or GySgt? Would you feel any differently?

Volker

Even at the risk to be seen as a snob now, I have more thanks than you have at the moment. They are not all from Ten.

I did not call you a criminal. American troops should not be in Iraq at all.

I can not measure, what is successful and what is not.

Yes, this something different, if you know people.