When will USA accept their crimes against Japan? - Page 3

Richard Nixon · 06-10-08, 05:46 AM

The Japanese were completely screwed when Nagasaki and Hiroshima dropped, anyway. It was, in my eyes, a 'look at my cool new weapon' thing. Ridiculous.

And, as everyone says, nearly all countries committed atrocities. The Japanese had the Nanking Massacre, the appalling treatment of POWs in Burma, whilst Russia had the labour camps, the rape and mistreatment of civlians in their occupied soon, Americans sending 12 year-old boys to jail for life and so on. Men are pushed to do awful things during war time.

bub · 06-10-08, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AkiraYamato

I always wonder, when USA will accept, that they commited terrible crimes against the japanese people?

In WW II americans killed most japanese soldiers even if they surrendered.
When americans sunk a a japanese ship, it was common to kill the survivors.
And the most terrible crime in entire history...Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Japan is a rich country, we want no money. We just want that USA stand to their crimes and honor the victims of that terrible massacres.

AkiraYamato · 06-10-08, 07:13 AM

Its disgusting, that some fascists here agree with the murdering of 300.000 people.

Iriemon · 06-10-08, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bub

War crimes happen on all sides, I agree. It is a function of the terrible stress placed on men in wartime.

But you cannot compare the examples of American war crimes, limited, isolated incidents, with the government sanctioned and systematic slaughter that occured by the Germans and Japanese.

Volker · 06-10-08, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

War crimes happen on all sides, I agree. It is a function of the terrible stress placed on men in wartime.

But you cannot compare the examples of American war crimes, limited, isolated incidents, with the government sanctioned and systematic slaughter that occured by the Germans and Japanese.

You can compare it very well.

You can very well compare what happened in Auschwitz, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Dresden.

The main difference is, that people who did it from Japan or Germany had to go to court house after the war, while people from America who did it, got money from their government.

bub · 06-10-08, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

War crimes happen on all sides, I agree. It is a function of the terrible stress placed on men in wartime.

But you cannot compare the examples of American war crimes, limited, isolated incidents, with the government sanctioned and systematic slaughter that occured by the Germans and Japanese.

It is true that most Allied war crimes are "isolated" (for example the murdering of unarmed Germans in Chenogne or in Utah was not part of a specific policy).

You can compare that to German soldiers killing Allied POWs/civilians during the battle of the Bulge, there was no order asking for that, it was commited by individuals.

However, there was a policy according to which Japaneses who surrendered should not be taken prisonner.
Then, the bombing of Dresden, which had no military importance, was not "limited" and was "government sanctionned".
So was the deportation of millions of people who wanted to flee from USSR (if you call it a war crime), or letting thousands of POW die from starvation.

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Death rates of POWs held by Axis powers

* Chinese POWs held by Japan: > 99% (only 56 survivors at the end of the war)[64]
* US and British Commonwealth POWs held by Germany: ~4% [63]
* Soviet POWs held by Germany: 57.5% [65]
* Western Allied POWs held by Japan: 27% [66]

[edit] Death rates of POWs held by the Allies

* German POWs in East European (not including the Soviet Union) hands 32.9%[65]
* German soldiers held by Soviet Union: 15-33% (14.7% in The Dictators by Richard Overy, 35.8% in Ferguson[65])
* Japanese POWs held by Soviet Union: 10%
* German POWs in British hands 0.03%[65]
* German POWs in American hands 0.15%[65]
* German POWs in French hands 2.58%[65]
* Japanese POWs held by U.S.: relatively low, mainly suicides according to James D. Morrow[67] or according to Ulrich Straus high as many prisoners were shot by front line troops.[46]

niftydrifty · 06-10-08, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AkiraYamato

Its disgusting, that some fascists here agree with the murdering of 300.000 people.

huh? who here agrees with the murders that took place in Nanking in 1937-1938?

Volker · 06-10-08, 08:48 AM

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huh? who here agrees with the murders that took place in Nanking in 1937-1938?[/IMG]

This is exactly what is going wrong in America. The average American is able to recognize attrocities committed by other nations, but for attrocities commited by Americans you only get lame excuses or finger-pointing.

niftydrifty · 06-10-08, 08:49 AM

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This is exactly what is going wrong in America. The average American is able to recognize attrocities committed by other nations, but for attrocities commited by Americans you only get lame excuses or finger-pointing.

what are you talking about?

listen, hack, everyone is a human being. everyone ought to recognize the atrocities committed by their own nations. I have, repeatedly.

I was pointing out the finger-pointing being committed by dude, is all.

here's a previous post where I've already said I disagreed with Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Dresden.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057626786-post5.html (Do the ends justify the means?)

The OP, the original premise of the thread, is nothing more than finger-pointing. your anti-Americanism is nothing more than finger-pointing. your existence is nothing more than finger-pointing.

Iriemon · 06-10-08, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Volker

You can compare it very well.

You can very well compare what happened in Auschwitz, Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Dresden.

The main difference is, that people who did it from Japan or Germany had to go to court house after the war, while people from America who did it, got money from their government.

No, the main difference is that the Nazis systematically murdered millions of people based on their religious beliefs, versus dropping bombs in wartime.

They don't compare at all in terms of crimes.