Germany's Merkel vows to protect Israel... - Page 17

Volker · 05-23-08, 07:16 PM

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yes but that's not an argument against Israel, everybody sells weapons to warmongering countries...France sold Mirages to Iraq, USA sold F-15 to Saudi Arabia, and Belgium sold Minimis to the USA...(

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Vader said that Israel does not sell weapons to terrorists, I said, they are not choosy, douchebag Gunny said this makes me an Anti-Semite, you thanked him, so why don't you pack your cases and move to the US, traitor?

Volker · 05-23-08, 07:32 PM

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Still dancing. You explicity stated that, "Zionists have never been very choosy of who they sell weapons too, if they can make some money, they will do so." Trying to pass this off as some simple statement not purposefully focused on zeroing in on the "Jew" nation doesn't fool anybody.

So it is true, but somehow not political correct in the eyes of some hysterical "this is Anti-Semite" yelling freaks? Who cares about them?

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Why mention it at all? You mentioned it and threw out the famous "Jew greed" as motive. All the while being a citizen of a nation that sit on top of the list well above Israel for arms sales and famously chose dictators and brutes as customers. Since you are back peddling now and are trying to take an innocent bewildered stance, you obviously are well aware of what you were doing.

So to say like, a fact is a fact, is back peddling to you? Do you actually read my posts before you start phantasizing about them?

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Here, kick the habit.....

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Thus, most famously, in a 2004 survey of German public opinion conducted under the auspices of the Institute for Interdisciplinary Research on Conflict and Violence of the University of Bielefeld, 51 percent of respondents agreed with the statement that Israeli policy toward the Palestinians is "no different than what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Third Reich." Fully 68 percent agreed that Israel is conducting a "war of extermination" against the Palestinians. (The phrase "war of extermination" will again have clearly invoked Hitler and the Third Reich for the German respondents.) Perhaps most revealingly of all, fully 82 percent of respondents agreed that they "become enraged [wütend werden] when they think of how the Israelis treat the Palestinians."

So what? They are correct and they are the majority. Germans don't want to hear complaints about the Holocaust from Israel-supporting douchebags? How could you expect something else? It looks like Germans don't like hypocricy. This is fine. It looks like Germans show some character here. Kudos to them.

bub · 05-24-08, 05:29 AM

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Vader said that Israel does not sell weapons to terrorists, I said, they are not choosy, douchebag Gunny said this makes me an Anti-Semite, you thanked him, so why don't you pack your cases and move to the US, traitor?

Hey calm down!

Maybe if you looked less extremist you'd be more efficient in defending your point of view.

Arcana XV · 05-24-08, 09:14 AM

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Here, kick the habit.....

Far be it from me to try and defend Volker and his extremist views, but I'm questioning the validity of the findings in this article. I want to know who exactly the people they surveyed are.

The following article on the rise of anti-semitic sentiment in the US at least makes it clear what segment of the American population is most prone to this sentiment.

Anti-Semitism on the Rise in America -- ADL Survey on Anti-Semitic Attitudes Reveals 17 Percent of Americans Hold "Hardcore" Beliefs

Seeing as Germany is also a nation with a rather high percentage of immigrants, the numbers stated in Rosenthal and Salzborn's article really don't mean much without more information. Did they only survey ethnic Germans or did they also include Germans of foreign origin?

Volker · 05-24-08, 03:55 PM

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Hey calm down!

Maybe if you looked less extremist you'd be more efficient in defending your point of view.

I prefer the word "radical".

Today there was the party congress of the Left Party. It has been discussed, that Sarah Wagenknecht becomes the candidate for Vice President, however, she did not want to, because of a deal between the East part and the West part of the party, which is valid until 2010 and allows as much leading positions to the Western folks like the Eastern have.

What was funny, that some leaders were against she is becoming a candidate because she is kinda too left. Well, this is the radical wing, the one I like best, but how can someone be too left for a party with the name Left Party

Volker · 05-24-08, 04:27 PM

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Far be it from me to try and defend Volker and his extremist views, but I'm questioning the validity of the findings in this article. I want to know who exactly the people they surveyed are.

I prefer the term "radical views".

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The surveys took the form of representative telephone interviews. The number of interviewees amounted to 1,004 (Germany), 1,115 (Israel) and 500 (U.S.) Thus a total of 2519 people were interviewed for this survey. The interviews were conducted
between 12 January and 26 January 2007.

If it's done by Emnid and Bertelsmann Stiftung, I think, it is done in a high quality way. My favorite TV station, n-tv, did a lot of cooperation with Emnid, however, I think, they are working more with Allensbach meanwhile.

http://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/b...83_20284_2.pdf

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The following article on the rise of anti-semitic sentiment in the US at least makes it clear what segment of the American population is most prone to this sentiment.

Anti-Semitism on the Rise in America -- ADL Survey on Anti-Semitic Attitudes Reveals 17 Percent of Americans Hold "Hardcore" Beliefs

Don't expect the ADL to ask Jewish people in the US on their views about Afro-Americans or people with a different skin color in general. You can't do this, this would only put things in the right perspective.

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Seeing as Germany is also a nation with a rather high percentage of immigrants, the numbers stated in Rosenthal and Salzborn's article really don't mean much without more information. Did they only survey ethnic Germans or did they also include Germans of foreign origin?

I think, 1,004 persons is representative for Germany. They did not say views held by ethnic Germans, but views held in Germany. So they are three big ethnic groups in Germany, these are German, Turkish and Russian people. There are smaller groups with people from Poland and the Balkans, Denmark, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Vietnam, Iran and Arabia and Africa and China and Japan.

GySgt · 05-29-08, 11:00 AM

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Far be it from me to try and defend Volker and his extremist views, but I'm questioning the validity of the findings in this article. I want to know who exactly the people they surveyed are.

Well, one only has to google German hatred towards Jews or Turks for numerous polls and suveys conducted. Many surveys have been condfucted by Europeans themselves.

The more laws introduced internally in Germany, the more anger and resentment towards Jews and Muslim Turks arise.