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Kelzie · 05-20-08, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker

Wars can include acts of terrorism, it's not this or that.

I never said otherwise. I did say though that "Attacking a military operation to send a message to a government is not and has never been terrorism."

Do you disagree? Do you have some sort of alternative definition of terrorism that you'd like to post? Or will you recant that Israel is a terrorist nation?

Volker · 05-20-08, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

I never said otherwise. I did say though that "Attacking a military operation to send a message to a government is not and has never been terrorism."

Do you disagree? Do you have some sort of alternative definition of terrorism that you'd like to post? Or will you recant that Israel is a terrorist nation?

Alternative to what? There are many definitions. I don't recant.

Kelzie · 05-21-08, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Volker

Alternative to what? There are many definitions. I don't recant.

There are not many definitions to the word "terrorist." And all of them require the purposeful targeting of civilians. You have yet to prove that Israel does this.

Volker · 05-21-08, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

There are not many definitions to the word "terrorist." And all of them require the purposeful targeting of civilians. You have yet to prove that Israel does this.

There are more than hundred definitions of the word terrorism. I don't know if purposeful targeting of civilians is important or even mentioned in one of them.

Arcana XV · 05-21-08, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

There are not many definitions to the word "terrorist." And all of them require the purposeful targeting of civilians. You have yet to prove that Israel does this.

It's not all that black and white, unfortunately.

There are too many definitions of terrorism to count. Some definitions include the deliberate targeting of civilians by military or non-military attackers as terrorism, other definitions include the deliberate targeting of government buildings and employees by non-military attackers as terrorism. Most definitions I agree with include both.

And these are but just two of the dozens of definitions of terrorism out there.

Kelzie · 05-21-08, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker

There are more than hundred definitions of the word terrorism. I don't know if purposeful targeting of civilians is important or even mentioned in one of them.

Find me one then.

Kelzie · 05-21-08, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcana XV

It's not all that black and white, unfortunately.

There are too many definitions of terrorism to count. Some definitions include the deliberate targeting of civilians by military or non-military attackers as terrorism, other definitions include the deliberate targeting of government buildings and employees by non-military attackers as terrorism. Most definitions I agree with include both.

And these are but just two of the dozens of definitions of terrorism out there.

And yet all of them include the attacking of civilians. Post a different one if you know of it, I would be most interested in seeing it.

bub · 05-21-08, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

And yet all of them include the attacking of civilians. Post a different one if you know of it, I would be most interested in seeing it.

Israel does not deliberately target civilians, so it's not called terrorism.

Yet they seem to be so uncareful with them (like dropping cluster bombs all over urban aeras) that they are sometimes not so different

EDIT: doesn't Israel target civilians when it destroys the houses of the terrorist's families? That fits with most of the definitions of terrorism: "use of violence, perpetrated for a political goal and carried out in such a way as to maximize the severity and length of the psychological impact, deliberately targeting non-combatants"

House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Volker · 05-21-08, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelzie

Find me one then.

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Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives.

FM 100-20 Glossary

Kelzie · 05-21-08, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Volker

FM 100-20 Glossary

The "unlawful" part would be in regards to civilians. Attacking the military is lawful. Try again.