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    Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    A anti-government protester holds a poster depicting the leader of the ruling Social Democratic party Liviu Dragnea in Bucharest, Romania, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017. Romania’s president told lawmakers Tuesday the country is in a “fully-fledged” political crisis, after hundreds of thousands demonstrated against a government measure that would weaken the country’s anti-corruption drive.

    Romania’s government, in trying to soften anti-corruption laws, is fanning the flames of nationalism by criticizing the presence of foreigners at protests, according to experts and politicians.

    Officials also have been challenging the role of the European Union in the corruption fight, and suggesting it is time to put Romania first.

    Cristian Parvulecsu, dean of the National School of Political Studies and Public Administration, said some members of Romania’s ruling Social Democratic Party are promoting values favored by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, known for his anti-refugee stance.

    A week before the protests broke out, powerful Social Democratic Party chairman Liviu Dragnea, who faces corruption charges that block his route to becoming prime minister, told Romanian television that financial checks should be carried out on NGOs operating in Romania because some that receive public money may not be operating lawfully.

    He singled out philanthropist and financier George Soros, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, for criticism.


    So, this has been going on while DP was down. Could Romania be the next Ukraine, except in reverse it would seem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    A anti-government protester holds a poster depicting the leader of the ruling Social Democratic party Liviu Dragnea in Bucharest, Romania, Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2017. Romania’s president told lawmakers Tuesday the country is in a “fully-fledged” political crisis, after hundreds of thousands demonstrated against a government measure that would weaken the country’s anti-corruption drive.

    Romania’s government, in trying to soften anti-corruption laws, is fanning the flames of nationalism by criticizing the presence of foreigners at protests, according to experts and politicians.

    Officials also have been challenging the role of the European Union in the corruption fight, and suggesting it is time to put Romania first.

    Cristian Parvulecsu, dean of the National School of Political Studies and Public Administration, said some members of Romania’s ruling Social Democratic Party are promoting values favored by Russian President Vladimir Putin and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, known for his anti-refugee stance.

    A week before the protests broke out, powerful Social Democratic Party chairman Liviu Dragnea, who faces corruption charges that block his route to becoming prime minister, told Romanian television that financial checks should be carried out on NGOs operating in Romania because some that receive public money may not be operating lawfully.

    He singled out philanthropist and financier George Soros, who has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to promote democracy in the former Soviet bloc, for criticism.


    So, this has been going on while DP was down. Could Romania be the next Ukraine, except in reverse it would seem...
    I had been following this, but had not picked up on the fact that a nationalist flavor had been inserted into the clash. It has. Even a little since I was there often. But at the time corruption was a way of life. You paid bribes at all levels of society as far apart as getting building permits, the police to drive your car and yourself home when drunk or persuading a doctor to treat you at the university hospital.

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I had been following this, but had not picked up on the fact that a nationalist flavor had been inserted into the clash. It has. Even a little since I was there often. But at the time corruption was a way of life. You paid bribes at all levels of society as far apart as getting building permits, the police to drive your car and yourself home when drunk or persuading a doctor to treat you at the university hospital.
    The President claims that ultra-nationalists are not a problem at the moment, but I do not trust him (seeing as - as you said - he is part of the corrupt Romanian establishment). While Trump would be tar-feathered out of the U.S. if he did anything particularly Nazi-level policy-wise, his victory has certainly emboldened neo-fascists across Europe.

    I'm waiting on the new Nazi Party to begin showing signs of presence. At the moment, it appears to be the Romanian Social Democrats under Dragnea, and it appears that a Nazi Party equivalent, if it does show up in Europe over the next decade, will be either Romanian or Russian (or both).

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    I hope they are successful, but if they are, they will copy the USA bribery schema which is political and charitable donations. It takes a lot of money to buy/rent politicians. On the other hand, Soros, the NED, USAID, CIA, and any number of NGOs fill the gap.
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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I hope they are successful, but if they are, they will copy the USA bribery schema which is political and charitable donations. It takes a lot of money to buy/rent politicians. On the other hand, Soros, the NED, USAID, CIA, and any number of NGOs fill the gap.
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    I don't think you realize, what corruption means there. It is a quite other problem than renting politicians, though, that is done there to an extent that is fascinating.

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    The President claims that ultra-nationalists are not a problem at the moment, but I do not trust him (seeing as - as you said - he is part of the corrupt Romanian establishment). While Trump would be tar-feathered out of the U.S. if he did anything particularly Nazi-level policy-wise, his victory has certainly emboldened neo-fascists across Europe.

    I'm waiting on the new Nazi Party to begin showing signs of presence. At the moment, it appears to be the Romanian Social Democrats under Dragnea, and it appears that a Nazi Party equivalent, if it does show up in Europe over the next decade, will be either Romanian or Russian (or both).
    Actually Johannis is supposedly less corrupt than the others. I never met him myself, but he is a good freind of my lawyer from when they were working together on the Sibu restauration project. He was mayor of Sibu at the time. On the other hand most of the public projects have not been doing any better since he has become president and people had been hoping there would be change. There was a yes we can feel to it, when he was elected.

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually Johannis is supposedly less corrupt than the others. I never met him myself, but he is a good freind of my lawyer from when they were working together on the Sibu restauration project. He was mayor of Sibu at the time. On the other hand most of the public projects have not been doing any better since he has become president and people had been hoping there would be change. There was a yes we can feel to it, when he was elected.
    I'll take your word for it, but I still think it is highly likely that he is underestimating these Romanian ultranationalists. Just my opinion judging by the political climate in Europe (and the world) right now...

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I hope they are successful, but if they are, they will copy the USA bribery schema which is political and charitable donations. It takes a lot of money to buy/rent politicians. On the other hand, Soros, the NED, USAID, CIA, and any number of NGOs fill the gap.
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    Why would you support the replacement of one villainous faction with another? What good does that do?
    Whomever wins we lose.

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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    The President claims that ultra-nationalists are not a problem at the moment, but I do not trust him (seeing as - as you said - he is part of the corrupt Romanian establishment). While Trump would be tar-feathered out of the U.S. if he did anything particularly Nazi-level policy-wise, his victory has certainly emboldened neo-fascists across Europe.

    I'm waiting on the new Nazi Party to begin showing signs of presence. At the moment, it appears to be the Romanian Social Democrats under Dragnea, and it appears that a Nazi Party equivalent, if it does show up in Europe over the next decade, will be either Romanian or Russian (or both).
    Been following this as well. Mind you from far away and on an irregular basis. As it will be introduced in the Parliament, I wonder at its chances of passing??

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...after-protests
    “We’ll hold an extraordinary meeting on Sunday to repeal the decree, withdraw, cancel it … and find a legal way to make sure it does not take effect,” Grindeanu said in a televised speech.

    The prime minister said the proposal would be sent to the Romanian parliament for debate, which experts warn is not likely to appease protesters, who want the proposal to be cancelled completely.

    “I don’t want to divide Romania … it can’t be divided in two. Romania in this moment seems broken in two,” he said.

    The decree was due to come into force at midnight on Friday. Under its proposed terms it would have decriminalised abuse of power offences when sums of less than €44,000 (£38,000) are involved.
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    Re: Experts: Romania uses nationalism in anti-corruption fight

    UPDATE:

    Romania | Justice minister quits over anti-graft law protests



    In another related development, the Constitutional Court said it wouldn’t rule on whether the ordinance was constitutional as requested by the ombudsman, saying the decree had been withdrawn from legislation.

    Court chairman Valer Dorneanu said that “we did not find elements [of the decree] which had already been applied, and would have produced judicial effects.”

    The government survived a vote of no confidence Wednesday in parliament, where it has a solid majority. AP

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