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    Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Message from the Netherlands to the new American president.



    UK got a head start by appointing Boris Johnson as their secretary of states even before Trump won the election. A politcian that have insulted a large part of the world even before he became secretary of state.

    Here's how Boris Johnson insulted YOUR country - CNN.com

    Countries Boris Johnson has insulted.

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Message from the Netherlands to the new American president.



    UK got a head start by appointing Boris Johnson as their secretary of states even before Trump won the election. A politcian that have insulted a large part of the world even before he became secretary of state.

    Here's how Boris Johnson insulted YOUR country - CNN.com

    Countries Boris Johnson has insulted.
    You have a point. Obama was nicer to listen to and didn't say that he would let the Eu hang, if the didn't fix Ukraine or Syria. And now this jerk says that he will no longer stand for paying the Eu's free ride and that they had to put up funds and troops, if they wanted to live under the US umbrella and compete on business, while the Americans pay.

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Message from the Netherlands to the new American president.



    UK got a head start by appointing Boris Johnson as their secretary of states even before Trump won the election. A politcian that have insulted a large part of the world even before he became secretary of state.

    Here's how Boris Johnson insulted YOUR country - CNN.com

    Countries Boris Johnson has insulted.
    That's just stupid.


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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You have a point. Obama was nicer to listen to and didn't say that he would let the Eu hang, if the didn't fix Ukraine or Syria. And now this jerk says that he will no longer stand for paying the Eu's free ride and that they had to put up funds and troops, if they wanted to live under the US umbrella and compete on business, while the Americans pay.
    What do you mean with a free ride? For example the EU countries together spend a lot more on the military than Russia. Also some countries like Denmark have made massive support to USA both in Iraq and Afganisthan compared to their size.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's just stupid.
    In a Trump world you may need politcians that can answer back like this quote from Boris Johnson.

    Crime has been falling steadily in both London and New York - and the only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.
    Boris Johnson: 'The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump' - Telegraph

    On a serious note the election of Donald Trump and the rise of far right parties in Europe can make it harder for countries to cooperate on issues like terrorism and global warming.

    Also that multinational corporation can play out countries against each other on the expence on ordinary people. Like for example if Trumps tax cuts for business leads to more business moving to USA other countries will respond with their own tax cuts for business. Leading to citizen have to pay a larger percent of taxes and also to welfare cuts. In the UK, Brexit can lead to that UK want to compete with EU countries by keeping and also lessen regulation for their tax havens. Making it's easier for wealthy and big business to avoid paying taxes and leading to a larger percent of taxes have to be paid by ordinary citizen and small businesses.

    Also their can be a demand to lessen regulation to attract business. on the expance of the citizens. Like for example Donald Trump is talking about cutting back emission control for coal power plants even if coal power plants leads to 13 000 premature deaths in the USA.

    Estimated health effects from U.S. coal-fired power plant emissions
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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    What do you mean with a free ride? For example the EU countries together spend a lot more on the military than Russia. Also some countries like Denmark have made massive support to USA both in Iraq and Afganisthan compared to their size.



    In a Trump world you may need politcians that can answer back like this quote from Boris Johnson.



    Boris Johnson: 'The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump' - Telegraph

    On a serious note the election of Donald Trump and the rise of far right parties in Europe can make it harder for countries to cooperate on issues like terrorism and global warming.

    Also that multinational corporation can play out countries against each other on the expence on ordinary people. Like for example if Trumps tax cuts for business leads to more business moving to USA other countries will respond with their own tax cuts for business. Leading to citizen have to pay a larger percent of taxes and also to welfare cuts. In the UK, Brexit can lead to that UK want to compete with EU countries by keeping and also lessen regulation for their tax havens. Making it's easier for wealthy and big business to avoid paying taxes and leading to a larger percent of taxes have to be paid by ordinary citizen and small businesses.

    Also their can be a demand to lessen regulation to attract business. on the expance of the citizens. Like for example Donald Trump is talking about cutting back emission control for coal power plants even if coal power plants leads to 13 000 premature deaths in the USA.

    Estimated health effects from U.S. coal-fired power plant emissions
    If you cared about the future you would concentrate on more pressing problems. Living without freedom is like suffocating. And it is not Trump that threatens freedom.
    If we continue to characterize these mass killings as events disassociated from Islamic doctrine and faith, we will fail to identify and thus defeat our enemy.

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    What do you mean with a free ride? For example the EU countries together spend a lot more on the military than Russia. Also some countries like Denmark have made massive support to USA both in Iraq and Afganisthan compared to their size.



    In a Trump world you may need politcian that can answer back like this quote from Boris Johnson.



    Boris Johnson: 'The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump' - Telegraph

    On a serious note the election of Donald Trump and the rise of far right parties in Europe can make it harder for countries to cooperate on issues like terrorism and global warming.

    Also that multinational corporation can play out countries against each other on the expence on ordinary people. Like for example if Trumps tax cuts for business leads to more business moving to USA other countries will respond with their own tax cuts for business. Leading to citizen have to pay a larger percent of taxes and also to welfare cuts. Also Brexit can lead to that UK want to keep and also lessen regulation for their tax havens. Making it's easier for wealthy and big business to avoid paying taxes and leading to a larger percent of taxes have to be paid by ordinary citizen and small businesses.

    Also their can be a demand to lessen regulation to attract business. on the expance of the citizens. Like for example Donald Trump is talking about cutting about emission control for coal power plants even if coal power plants leads to 13 000 premature deaths in the USA.

    Estimated health effects from U.S. coal-fired power plant emissions
    You are funning me, right? Other than France and U.K., which country in the Eu has spent its obligations under NATO in more than one year of the last ten? And which has outside of those two has put the most boots on the ground in peace or security missions in the last ten?
    Von der Leyen admitted in Hardtalk on BBC today that they certainly aren't and are struggling to increase expenditures.

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by coldjoint View Post
    If you cared about the future you would concentrate on more pressing problems. Living without freedom is like suffocating. And it is not Trump that threatens freedom.
    Here in Europe far right parties for example restrict freedom of the press then they come to power. Like for example Hungary that under the Orban goverment has fallen to place 67 on World Press Freedom Index.

    https://rsf.org/en/hungary

    Then it come to Donald Trump he for example have suggested that a person that burn the flag could be sentenced to jail and even loos of citizenship.

    Donald Trump: Burn the flag, go to jail - CNNPolitics.com

    Also he want to make it easier to sue media outlets.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c2645cf1baaf

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You are funning me, right? Other than France and U.K., which country in the Eu has spent its obligations under NATO in more than one year of the last ten? And which has outside of those two has put the most boots on the ground in peace or security missions in the last ten?
    Von der Leyen admitted in Hardtalk on BBC today that they certainly aren't and are struggling to increase expenditures.
    The top 15 countries with biggest military spending consist mostly of USA, EU countries and their allies. That at the same time the combined military spending of the EU countries is many times bigger the Russia’s spending and according to some sources EU have even bigger spending than the combined military spending of Russia and China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...European_Union

    So the demand for more military spending can been seen as a way of boosting the weapon manufactures profit on the expense of the taxpayers. Instead the need seems to be more coordination and cooperation between EU and USA and their mutual allies and also more efficiency.

    Also Denmark is the country with highest fatalities per capita in Afghanistan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalit...in_Afghanistan

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Here in Europe far right parties for example restrict freedom of the press then they come to power. Like for example Hungary that under the Orban goverment has fallen to place 67 on World Press Freedom Index.

    https://rsf.org/en/hungary

    Then it come to Donald Trump he for example have suggested that a person that burn the flag could be sentenced to jail and even loos of citizenship.

    Donald Trump: Burn the flag, go to jail - CNNPolitics.com

    Also he want to make it easier to sue media outlets.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c2645cf1baaf



    The top 15 countries with biggest military spending consist mostly of USA, EU countries and their allies. That at the same time the combined military spending of the EU countries is many times bigger the Russia’s spending and according to some sources EU have even bigger spending than the combined military spending of Russia and China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...European_Union

    So the demand for more military spending can been seen as a way of boosting the weapon manufactures profit on the expense of the taxpayers. Instead the need seems to be more coordination and cooperation between EU and USA and their mutual allies and also more efficiency.

    Also Denmark is the country with highest fatalities per capita in Afghanistan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalit...in_Afghanistan
    It is very sad that Denmark and others actually lost lives in Afghanistan or elsewhere.
    But, if you look at the amounts of spending relative to GDP, you might find a reason for the relatively small contingents of troops the EU countries deploy to peace keeping and security enforcing efforts. You will also see that this is not new. The US is down in relative spending to 3% plus while Europeans excluding France and England are up to 1% plus. As EU countries are economic competitors this alone gives them a 2% of GDP advantage against the US. You should be ashamed of yourself to propagate this free riding. At least von der Leyen understands that and is mouthing that Germany will correct this.

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    Re: Diplomacy in a Trump world

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Here in Europe far right parties for example restrict freedom of the press then they come to power. Like for example Hungary that under the Orban goverment has fallen to place 67 on World Press Freedom Index.

    https://rsf.org/en/hungary

    Then it come to Donald Trump he for example have suggested that a person that burn the flag could be sentenced to jail and even loos of citizenship.

    Donald Trump: Burn the flag, go to jail - CNNPolitics.com

    Also he want to make it easier to sue media outlets.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c2645cf1baaf



    The top 15 countries with biggest military spending consist mostly of USA, EU countries and their allies. That at the same time the combined military spending of the EU countries is many times bigger the Russia’s spending and according to some sources EU have even bigger spending than the combined military spending of Russia and China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_expenditures

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...European_Union

    So the demand for more military spending can been seen as a way of boosting the weapon manufactures profit on the expense of the taxpayers. Instead the need seems to be more coordination and cooperation between EU and USA and their mutual allies and also more efficiency.

    Also Denmark is the country with highest fatalities per capita in Afghanistan.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalit...in_Afghanistan
    You do see the word "suggested" don't you? Everyone, even the president, is entitled to an opinion.
    If we continue to characterize these mass killings as events disassociated from Islamic doctrine and faith, we will fail to identify and thus defeat our enemy.

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    That was hilarious

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