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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ok. Hypothetical...


    You're an engineer. Shimoneroni Jebukiuki is also an engineer. You are given the project to build a Moshenator, which will require expertise in both your specialties.

    Shimoneroni Jebukiuki speaks only Northern Mesophilian, which you not only don't speak but have never heard of. Nor does anyone else in the company except one guy and he's on a trip to Bermferked Quijipt for the next six weeks.


    So... how you gonna build that thing?
    Hire a skilled translator. I have actual working experience in this exact kind of problem which is working with others who do not speak your language at all, and having no translators or translators with very limited capacity to translate. There are days you just want to shoot all the people who cant speak your language. I got very good very quickly at Pictionary and pigeon name your language most of which I have forgotten now. You have a skilled translator and the headaches become exponentially less and related to common communication errors we all have and deal with when dealing with others that speak our language. That problem you presented, you hire a translator or wait for other dude to come back. Easier cheaper and just plain better all around.
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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Then everyone needs to be able to communicate with each other. Well almost everyone anyway.


    Humans mainly interact in three ways: cooperation, trade, or force... and variations thereof.


    In only one of these is communication less vitally important... guess which one.


    It is difficult enough to engage in trade or cooperation with those whose culture, customs and norms differ dramatically from what you're used to... add in an inability to communicate clearly and the difficulties became almost insurmountable.

    Diplomats have first-class translators to help them understand the people they are negotiating with, including parsing nuances in the language.


    You don't have that. When you find yourself in a potential conflict or misunderstanding with people who don't speak any language you know, resolving that conflict is going to be extremely difficult.... let alone feeling comradely or brotherly towards those whose words and intentions are unknowable to you.


    Forcing everyone to learn all of the world's languages is not the answer. There are at least 6,500 languages currently spoken on Earth. Even if we limit it to the relatively common ones, there are 23 languages spoken by about half the world's population.


    Most people have enough trouble learning ONE new language, maybe two. There's a reason people who speak 5 or more languages are rare. It is difficult for most people to learn new languages.


    The answer seems obvious: everyone learn one language, the SAME language. It can be a second language, in addition to your native one, but it needs to be the one everyone else learns... then communication is far easier, trade and cooperation become much more feasible and violence less likely.


    At present, English is the most common second language in the world. That's a good start, but English or something needs to be taught universally as a 2nd language if we expect to ever have even the slightest chance at this "peace and brotherhood across the planet" idea.



    The current number of English speakers, both native and second language, is estimated to approach 1 Billion already. 55 nations officially teach English as a second language; English speakers can be found individually in almost any nation in some numbers. Seems like an obvious choice.

    Or if you don't like English fine offer an alternative, but SOME single language needs to become the Common Tongue of Earth if we're ever going to get anywhere together as Species Humanity.
    All sorts of people around the world understand military force, and the language they speak has nothing to do with it. It is a very useful thing for a nation like ours to make clear that it can and will do inflict great harm on nations or groups who dare to cross it. I don't give a damn if any foreigners like the U.S. I care only about making them so sure what will happen to them it they carry out hostile acts against the U.S. that they never dare try.

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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Speaking the same language might help a lot, but as others said, wount be a grant for peace.

    IMO it would be great if student exchange programmes would be supportet massively. Is harder to hate a culture of a land where you lived for a year or some month.

    English for me is really one of the easiest languages of the world - might be because its quite near to German, especially the northern German dialects. Only with much easier grammar.

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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    All sorts of people around the world understand military force, and the language they speak has nothing to do with it. It is a very useful thing for a nation like ours to make clear that it can and will do inflict great harm on nations or groups who dare to cross it. I don't give a damn if any foreigners like the U.S. I care only about making them so sure what will happen to them it they carry out hostile acts against the U.S. that they never dare try.


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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Hire a skilled translator. I have actual working experience in this exact kind of problem which is working with others who do not speak your language at all, and having no translators or translators with very limited capacity to translate. There are days you just want to shoot all the people who cant speak your language. I got very good very quickly at Pictionary and pigeon name your language most of which I have forgotten now. You have a skilled translator and the headaches become exponentially less and related to common communication errors we all have and deal with when dealing with others that speak our language. That problem you presented, you hire a translator or wait for other dude to come back. Easier cheaper and just plain better all around.


    Sorry, the Moshenator has to be up and running within four weeks, and translators who speak English and Northern Mesophilian are almost impossible to come by.

    Seriously, my point being... if you both spoke a common language even as a second language, it would make things a lot easier, no?

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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry, the Moshenator has to be up and running within four weeks, and translators who speak English and Northern Mesophilian are almost impossible to come by.

    Seriously, my point being... if you both spoke a common language even as a second language, it would make things a lot easier, no?
    Oh yea it would be easier. Problem being that herding people is like herding cats, getting them to go in the same general direction takes a fire and a whole hell of a lot of catnip. The problem will be picking the second language and getting people to adopt it. Mandating it wont work near as well as just letting the world shrink some more and let the end result come organically.
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    Re: Do you want Peace and Brotherhood?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Oh yea it would be easier. Problem being that herding people is like herding cats, getting them to go in the same general direction takes a fire and a whole hell of a lot of catnip. The problem will be picking the second language and getting people to adopt it. Mandating it wont work near as well as just letting the world shrink some more and let the end result come organically.


    You have a point there. To a large degree, English is already becoming the world's de-facto common tongue of trade, science and international what-not... maybe if we keep quiet and don't mention it....

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