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    What is Putin's motivation?

    It is now clear that the election hacking of the DNC, the deliberate spread of "fake news", and other cyber-attacks from Russia have come from the highest reaches of the Russian government- very likely Putin himself. This has been confirmed by the CIA, and now the FBI, and supported by 99 out of 100 US senators.

    And interestingly enough, the US has not been the only victim of this Russian Cyberwar. Eastern European countries and Baltic states have also been the victims of this cyberwar. Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain are currently busy travelling back and forth to those areas to gather and consolidate further evidence for this as they build their case against the Russians.

    But the question is: why? Why does Putin think that the destabilization of nascent and established democracies around the world is going to benefit Russia? Yes, it's true that Russia has become economically and diplomatically isolated after aggressive behavior like the invasion of Georgia, and more recently, the annexation of Crimea. But do they really think that destabilizing the rest of the world politically is going to fix this?

    Does anyone know what may be going through Putin's head?

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Seems like a mixture of desperation and paranoia. He, Trump and Netanyahu are all quite unhinged.
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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    It is now clear that the election hacking of the DNC, the deliberate spread of "fake news", and other cyber-attacks from Russia have come from the highest reaches of the Russian government- very likely Putin himself. This has been confirmed by the CIA, and now the FBI, and supported by 99 out of 100 US senators.

    And interestingly enough, the US has not been the only victim of this Russian Cyberwar. Eastern European countries and Baltic states have also been the victims of this cyberwar. Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain are currently busy travelling back and forth to those areas to gather and consolidate further evidence for this as they build their case against the Russians.

    But the question is: why? Why does Putin think that the destabilization of nascent and established democracies around the world is going to benefit Russia? Yes, it's true that Russia has become economically and diplomatically isolated after aggressive behavior like the invasion of Georgia, and more recently, the annexation of Crimea. But do they really think that destabilizing the rest of the world politically is going to fix this?

    Does anyone know what may be going through Putin's head?
    I still want to know how it is they are so certain. We don't know who hacks other sites. How is it that we are POSITIVE the Russian gvmt did this? Until the CIA and FBI give us more information? I will continue to think our gvmt is lying to us. And I'm smart enough to know that I'm far the only one who thinks that way.
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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    But the question is: why? Why does Putin think that the destabilization of nascent and established democracies around the world is going to benefit Russia? Yes, it's true that Russia has become economically and diplomatically isolated after aggressive behavior like the invasion of Georgia, and more recently, the annexation of Crimea. But do they really think that destabilizing the rest of the world politically is going to fix this?
    Ask yourself the same questions, only substitute The United States (or China, or any other world power in history) wherever you see Russia underlined; the name of any President (or other world leader) where Putin is underlined; and any specific act by such nation under such leaders where aggressive and/or politically intrusive behaviors is underlined.

    The simple answer to your "Why?" is: Preservation of power. :
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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    It is now clear that the election hacking of the DNC, the deliberate spread of "fake news", and other cyber-attacks from Russia have come from the highest reaches of the Russian government- very likely Putin himself. This has been confirmed by the CIA, and now the FBI, and supported by 99 out of 100 US senators.

    And interestingly enough, the US has not been the only victim of this Russian Cyberwar. Eastern European countries and Baltic states have also been the victims of this cyberwar. Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain are currently busy travelling back and forth to those areas to gather and consolidate further evidence for this as they build their case against the Russians.

    But the question is: why? Why does Putin think that the destabilization of nascent and established democracies around the world is going to benefit Russia? Yes, it's true that Russia has become economically and diplomatically isolated after aggressive behavior like the invasion of Georgia, and more recently, the annexation of Crimea. But do they really think that destabilizing the rest of the world politically is going to fix this?

    Does anyone know what may be going through Putin's head?
    His motivation?

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    It is now clear that the election hacking of the DNC, the deliberate spread of "fake news", and other cyber-attacks from Russia have come from the highest reaches of the Russian government- very likely Putin himself. This has been confirmed by the CIA, and now the FBI, and supported by 99 out of 100 US senators.

    And interestingly enough, the US has not been the only victim of this Russian Cyberwar. Eastern European countries and Baltic states have also been the victims of this cyberwar. Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain are currently busy travelling back and forth to those areas to gather and consolidate further evidence for this as they build their case against the Russians.

    But the question is: why? Why does Putin think that the destabilization of nascent and established democracies around the world is going to benefit Russia? Yes, it's true that Russia has become economically and diplomatically isolated after aggressive behavior like the invasion of Georgia, and more recently, the annexation of Crimea. But do they really think that destabilizing the rest of the world politically is going to fix this?

    Does anyone know what may be going through Putin's head?
    He wants to keep his power, i suspect. To do this he seems to think that he must be seen to be the leader that made Russia great again. To do this, it appears he thinks that the multipolar near certainty of global war in preference to multilateral global security. Possibly he is only escalating in order to drive a harder bargain in negotiations in structuring international security. He must, afterglow, know the probabilities of a Great War in a multipolar system.

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    His motivation?

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I still want to know how it is they are so certain. We don't know who hacks other sites. How is it that we are POSITIVE the Russian gvmt did this? Until the CIA and FBI give us more information? I will continue to think our gvmt is lying to us. And I'm smart enough to know that I'm far the only one who thinks that way.
    I think there cybersecurity people have a way of tracking down the signature trademarks of particular hackers- individuals, or from a particular organization/nation.

    Some skepticism is good, and I applaud you for it. But keep in mind there is a very thin line between that and an unhealthy level of suspicion, mistrust, and paranoia. I couldn't tell you if you are crossing it or not. Only time will tell, I guess.

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoverness View Post
    His motivation?

    POWAH! UNLIMITED POWAH!
    You know, I happened to be visiting Moscow in the summer of 2007. That was when Medvedev was in power. I remember laying on my hotel bed in Moscow and listening to English language RT TV. They were interviewing Medvedev. The interviewer was asking him about the prospects of Russia joining the EU, and Medvedev was very seriously entertaining the possibility of it, going through the pros and cons of such a potential merger. What really then blew my mind was that the interviewer even asked him about the possibility of Russia joining NATO! Medvedev laughed at the idea a bit initially, but then went on to talk about that as a possibility in the future as well. He spent a long time talking about the pros and cons of such a move. I couldn't believe my ears that this was even being seriously discussed.

    That was 2007. Man, Russia has come a long way since then. Obama was defending their "Russian reset" in his debates, open to helping them in the community of civilized nations. Does Putin think that Russia is in a position of greater power now, being an international pariah, hated and distrusted by almost the entire rest of the world, on economic sanctions with an economy that's literally on life support? Is this his idea of how to make Russia great again?

    I think I miss Medvedev. I really do think Russia would have been better off right now if it had been less aggressive this last decade.

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    Re: What is Putin's motivation?

    Quote Originally Posted by ataraxia View Post
    I think there cybersecurity people have a way of tracking down the signature trademarks of particular hackers- individuals, or from a particular organization/nation.

    Some skepticism is good, and I applaud you for it. But keep in mind there is a very thin line between that and an unhealthy level of suspicion, mistrust, and paranoia. I couldn't tell you if you are crossing it or not. Only time will tell, I guess.
    I'm not sure if I'm crossing it either. Much of it comes from Obama's actions. This was supposedly reported back in July. It us only NOW that Obama's administration is talking about retaliation. I combine THAT decision with his decision to abstain on the UN vote, and it quacks like it's meant as a middle finger to Trump.

    I'm inclined to believe that both of these decisions together are game changers and suspiciously timed. I also think that, had HC won the election, Obama would have put her in the loop of these game changers... if, in fact, he would have done them at all.

    I also think Obama's ego us much larger than I'd ever imagined. 'Course I would think that about any president who mentioned running for a third term in whatever context it came about.
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