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    Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Berlin (AFP) - Since the million-strong influx of migrants into Germany last year, authorities there have struggled to deport failed asylum seekers from Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria when their home countries refuse to take them back.

    The issue has been put into sharp focus by the massive manhunt for Anis Amri, the 24-year-old Tunisian who Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed on Thursday is the alleged perpetrator of the truck attack on a Christmas market in Berlin that claimed 12 lives.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-d...200947296.html

    I'd say they have a huge problem on their hands.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    I'd say they have a huge problem on their hands.
    Why? We've had way more terrorist attacks than they have and way more deaths. What makes their problems worse than ours?

    Also, I know this doesn't matter to you because your feelings supercede facts, but Amri didn't come in with the recent surge of asylum seekers. He landed in Italy from Tunisia in 2011 and was imprisoned for arson, assault, and theft. The Italians let him go despite knowing he was a violent criminal. [1]

    As much as you'd love to picture Germany as a violent **** hole, it's nowhere near the US in any crime metric, despite having a higher percentage of muslims.
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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Berlin (AFP) - Since the million-strong influx of migrants into Germany last year, authorities there have struggled to deport failed asylum seekers from Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria when their home countries refuse to take them back.

    The issue has been put into sharp focus by the massive manhunt for Anis Amri, the 24-year-old Tunisian who Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed on Thursday is the alleged perpetrator of the truck attack on a Christmas market in Berlin that claimed 12 lives.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-d...200947296.html

    I'd say they have a huge problem on their hands.
    No bigger problem than any other nation. Seems you dont understand how international agreements work. Do you really think the US can send back a citizen of another country if that country refuses to accept them? Of course not. This is standard practice world wide and it is you that are ignorant of reality.
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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Why? We've had way more terrorist attacks than they have and way more deaths. What makes their problems worse than ours?

    Also, I know this doesn't matter to you because your feelings supercede facts, but Amri didn't come in with the recent surge of asylum seekers. He landed in Italy from Tunisia in 2011 and was imprisoned for arson, assault, and theft. The Italians let him go despite knowing he was a violent criminal. [1]

    As much as you'd love to picture Germany as a violent **** hole, it's nowhere near the US in any crime metric, despite having a higher percentage of muslims.
    Ahh. The last times it was the Greeks. So now it is the Italiens?

    If you have been following the discussion in any detail, you will have noticed, that MickeyW's observation is maybe not long enough or enough differentiating. It does capture a good part of the mainstream debate.
    It is being mentioned that that Merkel made bad mistakes, that the BRD is not prepared although the politicians had known the dangers, that the suspect was categorized in the highest danger level and had been being watched until the monitoring had been stopped (probably for reasons of costs), that the NSA activities were mostly good and that Germany has already introduced many of the things that were demonized a short while ago and that many more of the US measures are being adopted, with far less control of the groups implementing the measures, than are existent in the US and much more. The things I am hearing from friends in the CDU and even the FDP about the electioneering being prepared for are hair raising. There is no doubt that the country is in danger. The dangers are not, however, so much the terrorist attacks that must be expected and will almost certainly materialize, but dealing with the totally naive ideas in the population of how security is made and how bureaucracies and governments must be controlled by check and balances. The most potent dangers are in how the politics will develop in reaction to the terror.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Berlin (AFP) - Since the million-strong influx of migrants into Germany last year, authorities there have struggled to deport failed asylum seekers from Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria when their home countries refuse to take them back.

    The issue has been put into sharp focus by the massive manhunt for Anis Amri, the 24-year-old Tunisian who Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed on Thursday is the alleged perpetrator of the truck attack on a Christmas market in Berlin that claimed 12 lives.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-d...200947296.html

    I'd say they have a huge problem on their hands.
    That's because they are being too nice about it.

    I'd simply load deportees on planes and ships, make sure to have combat escorts (warships/fighter planes) then drop them off on shore using landing craft or push them out of the planes at the most convenient combat landing zone.

    If some pissant little nation wants to declare war over the forced return of their own citizens, fine. Regardless, they WILL be taking them back. :
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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    Berlin (AFP) - Since the million-strong influx of migrants into Germany last year, authorities there have struggled to deport failed asylum seekers from Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria when their home countries refuse to take them back.

    The issue has been put into sharp focus by the massive manhunt for Anis Amri, the 24-year-old Tunisian who Chancellor Angela Merkel confirmed on Thursday is the alleged perpetrator of the truck attack on a Christmas market in Berlin that claimed 12 lives.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-d...200947296.html

    I'd say they have a huge problem on their hands.
    And that is even if their home countries can be identified. At various times Amri claimed to come from Lebanon and Egypt, at other times from Tunisia. He used at least seven different names.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    And that is even if their home countries can be identified. At various times Amri claimed to come from Lebanon and Egypt, at other times from Tunisia. He used at least seven different names.
    .....and Tunisia delayed taking him back after it had been established whence he came. Practically simultaneous to the attack they granted him entry.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    That's because they are being too nice about it.

    I'd simply load deportees on planes and ships, make sure to have combat escorts (warships/fighter planes) then drop them off on shore using landing craft or push them out of the planes at the most convenient combat landing zone.

    If some pissant little nation wants to declare war over the forced return of their own citizens, fine. Regardless, they WILL be taking them back. :
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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Why? We've had way more terrorist attacks than they have and way more deaths. What makes their problems worse than ours?

    Also, I know this doesn't matter to you because your feelings supercede facts, but Amri didn't come in with the recent surge of asylum seekers. He landed in Italy from Tunisia in 2011 and was imprisoned for arson, assault, and theft. The Italians let him go despite knowing he was a violent criminal. [1]

    As much as you'd love to picture Germany as a violent **** hole, it's nowhere near the US in any crime metric, despite having a higher percentage of muslims.
    I don't picture Germany as a violent ****hole, but I do understand what a boob Merkel is and she needs to be replaced! My feelings don't supersede any facts. Feelings having nothing to do with any post I make. It's all logic.
    I'm well aware of the history of this terrorist Muslim asswipe ...and posted an article on him. liberals are ....Fools!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No bigger problem than any other nation. Seems you dont understand how international agreements work. Do you really think the US can send back a citizen of another country if that country refuses to accept them? Of course not. This is standard practice world wide and it is you that are ignorant of reality.
    I understand how these agreements work. Look what happened when obama wanted to get rid of GITMO. No countries would take the vermin without arm twisting. Liberals are fools...

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Ahh. The last times it was the Greeks. So now it is the Italiens?

    If you have been following the discussion in any detail, you will have noticed, that MickeyW's observation is maybe not long enough or enough differentiating. It does capture a good part of the mainstream debate.
    It is being mentioned that that Merkel made bad mistakes, that the BRD is not prepared although the politicians had known the dangers, that the suspect was categorized in the highest danger level and had been being watched until the monitoring had been stopped (probably for reasons of costs), that the NSA activities were mostly good and that Germany has already introduced many of the things that were demonized a short while ago and that many more of the US measures are being adopted, with far less control of the groups implementing the measures, than are existent in the US and much more. The things I am hearing from friends in the CDU and even the FDP about the electioneering being prepared for are hair raising. There is no doubt that the country is in danger. The dangers are not, however, so much the terrorist attacks that must be expected and will almost certainly materialize, but dealing with the totally naive ideas in the population of how security is made and how bureaucracies and governments must be controlled by check and balances. The most potent dangers are in how the politics will develop in reaction to the terror.
    Excellent post and spot on!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    That's because they are being too nice about it.

    I'd simply load deportees on planes and ships, make sure to have combat escorts (warships/fighter planes) then drop them off on shore using landing craft or push them out of the planes at the most convenient combat landing zone.

    If some pissant little nation wants to declare war over the forced return of their own citizens, fine. Regardless, they WILL be taking them back. :
    You got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    And that is even if their home countries can be identified. At various times Amri claimed to come from Lebanon and Egypt, at other times from Tunisia. He used at least seven different names.
    I'd just push him out in to the southern Mediterranean with a flotation device(large deflated balloon that he could blow up on the way down) and call it good.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    .....and Tunisia delayed taking him back after it had been established whence he came. Practically simultaneous to the attack they granted him entry.
    That's right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Tpamnfian "diplomacy" doesn't work.
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