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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    In this country, at least, there are other ways to deal with violent aliens whose home nations either refuse to accept them or cannot be determined. One would be to intern them, either directly, or after they had been convicted of crimes sentenced to prison, and served their terms. Germany may not have too many suitable sites for internment camps, but there is no shortage of them here. Western nations are at war with Islamist savages, and they had better wake up to that fact and start treating jihadists who engage in acts of war against them as unlawful combatants.

    These jihadist mass murders we are seeing are not ordinary crimes, and the perpetrators, especially if they are aliens, should not be treated as ordinary criminals. In some cases, at least in the U.S., jihadists should be tried for war crimes. If convicted by military tribunals, they should be sentenced accordingly. Congress should amend the law to make hanging the means of execution for any of these crimes where the sentence is death, and the proceedings on the gallows should be televised live for the world to see. We should stop worrying about what Muslim jihadists may do to us, and instead make them worry about what we may do to them.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Why? We've had way more terrorist attacks than they have and way more deaths. What makes their problems worse than ours?

    Also, I know this doesn't matter to you because your feelings supercede facts, but Amri didn't come in with the recent surge of asylum seekers. He landed in Italy from Tunisia in 2011 and was imprisoned for arson, assault, and theft. The Italians let him go despite knowing he was a violent criminal. [1]

    As much as you'd love to picture Germany as a violent **** hole, it's nowhere near the US in any crime metric, despite having a higher percentage of muslims.


    Yep. A ton of people incorrectly assess marginal risk when it comes to something that is scary and seemingly random. (ie, worries about your plane going down but no worries when you get behind the wheel, despite the latter being a couple orders of magnitude more likely to get you killed).

    I regularly point out that, for example, 1,400,000 violent crimes and 14,000 homicides are committed every year in America. This often generates responses like, "oh yeah? But they weren't committed because religion!" Nope, not the point. The point is that if we're going to have a sane policy about terrorism, then we need to first assess our overall approach to things like homicides and violent crimes. Perhaps we should also consider our response to things like drunk driving, which in one year kills at least 10 times the number of Americans that terrorists did in the last 20. And only then should we formulate a proportional response to the actual threat terrorism poses.

    Sadly, people aren't big fans of sane policies, so "I'm scared of being blown up on the subway" turns into "bar all refugees!", but "I don't want to be hit by a drunk driver" doesn't turn into "twenty years imprisonment and permanent loss of license for first DUI!"




    Human nature.....

    It got enough of us away from tigers and pissed off mastodons, but it doesn't serve us so well when it comes to complex modern issues that aren't so well served by basic instinct.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    In this country, at least, there are other ways to deal with violent aliens whose home nations either refuse to accept them or cannot be determined. One would be to intern them, either directly, or after they had been convicted of crimes sentenced to prison, and served their terms. Germany may not have too many suitable sites for internment camps, but there is no shortage of them here. Western nations are at war with Islamist savages, and they had better wake up to that fact and start treating jihadists who engage in acts of war against them as unlawful combatants.
    ??

    If we know someone is a "violent alien", it is because they've been caught and convicted of a violent crime. We deport those. They're transferred from state or federal prison to ICE custody, then deported, subject to human error of course.






    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    These jihadist mass murders we are seeing are not ordinary crimes, and the perpetrators, especially if they are aliens, should not be treated as ordinary criminals. In some cases, at least in the U.S., jihadists should be tried for war crimes. If convicted by military tribunals, they should be sentenced accordingly. Congress should amend the law to make hanging the means of execution for any of these crimes where the sentence is death, and the proceedings on the gallows should be televised live for the world to see. We should stop worrying about what Muslim jihadists may do to us, and instead make them worry about what we may do to them.
    Because people trying to blow themselves up or intending to die in a post-massacre shootout with the police will be deterred by a death sentence?

    Unless you are suggesting we become monsters like ISIS and crucify them or something similar (in which case we deserve the same penalty), then I'm not sure what deterrence has got to do with it. In other words: we did our best to shoot down Kamikaze Japanese pilots, but it sure wasn't because we thought it might scare the others off.

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    Re: Germany deportation headache with North African migrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Yep. A ton of people incorrectly assess marginal risk when it comes to something that is scary and seemingly random. (ie, worries about your plane going down but no worries when you get behind the wheel, despite the latter being a couple orders of magnitude more likely to get you killed).

    I regularly point out that, for example, 1,400,000 violent crimes and 14,000 homicides are committed every year in America. This often generates responses like, "oh yeah? But they weren't committed because religion!" Nope, not the point. The point is that if we're going to have a sane policy about terrorism, then we need to first assess our overall approach to things like homicides and violent crimes. Perhaps we should also consider our response to things like drunk driving, which in one year kills at least 10 times the number of Americans that terrorists did in the last 20. And only then should we formulate a proportional response to the actual threat terrorism poses.

    Sadly, people aren't big fans of sane policies, so "I'm scared of being blown up on the subway" turns into "bar all refugees!", but "I don't want to be hit by a drunk driver" doesn't turn into "twenty years imprisonment and permanent loss of license for first DUI!"




    Human nature.....

    It got enough of us away from tigers and pissed off mastodons, but it doesn't serve us so well when it comes to complex modern issues that aren't so well served by basic instinct.
    Off Topic entirely! This is about Germany, not the US.

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