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    Russian and US penal systems.

    Russian Federation has incarceration rate of 450 per 100,000 population. That is much higher then Australia (152), UK (146), and Canada (114). Russia has 1,820 prisoners serving Life Sentence. Many Russian singers sing about prisoners lives and harsh laws.

    USA is The Land of the Free. USA has incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000. There are
    159,000 prisoners serving Life Sentence. There are 49,000 prisoners serving Life Without Parole including 2,500 juveniles.

    I do not know what to say.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Strangely no one has anything to say. I have bought several hundred good songs in .mp3 format. Many songs are available for free online, but most people here would not understand what they are saying.
    Last edited by SCitizen; 12-07-16 at 05:47 PM.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Most US life prisoners are losers. Even though many were failed by society and committed crimes before being adults.

    Most life prisoners in Russia are people of outstanding talent who have very high status and respect among professional criminals. In Russia earning life in prison is not easy.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    Russian Federation has incarceration rate of 450 per 100,000 population. That is much higher then Australia (152), UK (146), and Canada (114). Russia has 1,820 prisoners serving Life Sentence. Many Russian singers sing about prisoners lives and harsh laws.

    USA is The Land of the Free. USA has incarceration rate of 693 per 100,000. There are
    159,000 prisoners serving Life Sentence. There are 49,000 prisoners serving Life Without Parole including 2,500 juveniles.

    I do not know what to say.
    Actually, once you relate those figures to the intentional homicide rate, then the USA are nothing exceptional, and the slight remaining difference may be explained by their need to be tougher because of their high homicide rate. It rather seems that Russia is lax and likely corrupted.

    Russia: 42 incarcerated per yearly homicides.
    France: 85
    Canada: 88
    UK: 121
    USA: 165


    To put things in perspective, in France some rapists are released after six months (5-years sentences, shortened to 6 months in jail + 18 at home). Ankle monitors are "playstation sentences": invite your buddies, smoke weed and play games all day long. One of our terrorist got convicted 22 times for independent facts when he was still just a delinquent, many of them with violence. Our system has been made by ideologues for the sake of delinquents and criminals.

    A country where criminality is unpunished is not my definition of freedom.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auvergnat View Post
    A country where criminality is unpunished is not my definition of freedom.
    But USA has the highest incarceration rate in the World. Russia had incarceration rate as high during Stalin's reign.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    But USA has the highest incarceration rate in the World. Russia had incarceration rate as high during Stalin's reign.
    As I demonstrated, the USA have a similar incarceration rate to other countries once you relate it to intentional homicide rate.

    The problem is not the US penal system, it is the fact that minorities in the USA are so violent. Which likely has a lot more to do with the toxic cohabitation of multiple identities and the societal cost of laissez-faire.
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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auvergnat View Post
    As I demonstrated, the USA have a similar incarceration rate to other countries once you relate it to intentional homicide rate.

    The problem is not the US penal system, it is the fact that minorities in the USA are so violent. Which likely has a lot more to do with the toxic cohabitation of multiple identities and the societal cost of laissez-faire.
    No, you're only considering homicide rate as you admit. HALF of the prisoners in US are convicted of non violent crimes. Prosecution and sentencing of drug crimes in particular is beyond the gulag. As for minorities being violent, other countries don't have such ghettos and unlimited access to guns, and conservatives are largely to blame for both
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    Slavery also doesn't necessarily have to be terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Prosecution and sentencing of drug crimes in particular is beyond the gulag.
    There are about 300,000 state and federal drug offenders. They are jailed unjustly. How many in local jails we do not know.

    Russia had War on Crime in 1930-1953. The incarceration rate was as high as it is in USA since late '90s.

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCitizen View Post
    But USA has the highest incarceration rate in the World. Russia had incarceration rate as high during Stalin's reign.

    Not good with facts are you

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    Re: Russian and US penal systems.

    America's penal system is bigger than Russia's? Somehow I always knew that.

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