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    Re: Refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    What is the international tribunal community? And whose complaints are they receiving?
    Here you go: The Court¬*|¬*International Court of Justice

    Any case heard by one government whining about another government will do.

    Do you think the governments of two distinct, sovereign nations will prefer global order to intervention on behalf of their respective citizens?
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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Here you go: The Court¬*|¬*International Court of Justice

    Any case heard by one government whining about another government will do.

    Do you think the governments of two distinct, sovereign nations will prefer global order to intervention on behalf of their respective citizens?
    What?
    The UN Court of Justice is the international tribunal community? I don't get it. And I really don't get... "sovereign nations will prefer global order to intervention on behalf of their respective citizens". What does intervention on behalf of their respective citizens mean? Intervention by whom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    What?
    The UN Court of Justice is the international tribunal community? I don't get it. And I really don't get... "sovereign nations will prefer global order to intervention on behalf of their respective citizens". What does intervention on behalf of their respective citizens mean? Intervention by whom?
    That's the first thing that came to mind. The only other tribunal community I can think of would be a collection of various justice systems in different countries.

    I thought that we were talking about the refugee crisis, and the saudi bill. So intervention by the government of a nation in an international tribunal on behalf of the citizens of that particular nation is the idea I was attempting to convey.
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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    That's the first thing that came to mind. The only other tribunal community I can think of would be a collection of various justice systems in different countries.

    I thought that we were talking about the refugee crisis, and the saudi bill. So intervention by the government of a nation in an international tribunal on behalf of the citizens of that particular nation is the idea I was attempting to convey.
    Sorry, I don't get the connections. By 'saudi bill', you mean the US government allowing a 9/11 widow to sue the Saudi kingdom, right? And by 'refugee crisis' you mean the hordes of people displaced by the Syrian war, right? And how does the UN court of justice enter the picture? Maybe I'm dense, but you'll have to be more specific if I'm to follow your reasoning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Sorry, I don't get the connections. By 'saudi bill', you mean the US government allowing a 9/11 widow to sue the Saudi kingdom, right? And by 'refugee crisis' you mean the hordes of people displaced by the Syrian war, right? And how does the UN court of justice enter the picture? Maybe I'm dense, but you'll have to be more specific if I'm to follow your reasoning.
    Saudi Arabia and Syria are two different sovereign nations, but it would appear that their governments are linked to the US government. Even if the Syrian government hasn't issued any kind of policy regarding refugees sent to the US, the US does have immigration reform on its hands. Likewise, Saudi Arabia and the US may be intimately linked if any of the lawsuits under the Saudi bill are taken to trial. How will the governments of these three nations interact in the broader arena of international politics? I claim that international tribunals will play a part in this, even though I do not know where any court will hear a lawsuit against the Saudi government. However, if I'm not mistaken, the Saudi bill permits only US citizens and not the US government to sue only the Saudi government and not Saudi citizens.

    With respect to the international relationship between two other nations via the Saudi bill, how does the Syrian government (if such a thing can be said to exist) play a part in the international political landscape? In order to execute a plan of action in a civil manner, it is not unlikely that some form of a justice system will be applied via the international community. In other historical conflicts, the international community has made agreements like peace treaties, or ceasefires. The Saudi bill links two different nations via some form of a justice system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Saudi Arabia and Syria are two different sovereign nations, but it would appear that their governments are linked to the US government. Even if the Syrian government hasn't issued any kind of policy regarding refugees sent to the US, the US does have immigration reform on its hands. Likewise, Saudi Arabia and the US may be intimately linked if any of the lawsuits under the Saudi bill are taken to trial. How will the governments of these three nations interact in the broader arena of international politics? I claim that international tribunals will play a part in this, even though I do not know where any court will hear a lawsuit against the Saudi government. However, if I'm not mistaken, the Saudi bill permits only US citizens and not the US government to sue only the Saudi government and not Saudi citizens.

    With respect to the international relationship between two other nations via the Saudi bill, how does the Syrian government (if such a thing can be said to exist) play a part in the international political landscape? In order to execute a plan of action in a civil manner, it is not unlikely that some form of a justice system will be applied via the international community. In other historical conflicts, the international community has made agreements like peace treaties, or ceasefires. The Saudi bill links two different nations via some form of a justice system.
    Okay, lemme talk about Syrian refugees, the way I understand the problem. From a Canadian viewpoint.
    So far, 33,723 Syrian refugees have arrived in Canada.
    #WelcomeRefugees: Canada resettles Syrian refugees
    Many have been sponsored by church groups, community groups, local government, and the federal government. Where I live, there's about 1,000 year-round residents and we've sponsored one family- wanted to do two but can't show employment prospects for another. It's a very simple process and doesn't involve any tribunals. Has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia. Doesn't concern any other nation. Doesn't even involve the government of Syria.
    As for the 'Saudi bill', that's between you and your government, but it has nothing to do with Syrian refugees and, near as I can tell, is just window-dressing with no chance of ever actually meaning anything.
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    Re: Refugees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    What are you talking about? Refugees from Syria?
    Yes, how to start from very little, like the pioneers.

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    The pioneers probably were not shell shocked in the same sense that war survivors are shell shocked. They have a different mindset than, say, hippies.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Refugees.

    There is a humanitarian crisis in nigeria now, with the likes of boko harem bringing poverty to the regions they are in. if you were to explain this to the citizens, that they will suffer as long as they support boko harem, i am sure they need to know? how do you explain to people that they are not being fought for, but instead used as shields and support in the form of money?

    This requires an advert or two on lamp posts and radio transmissions. the advert should state - "ask your grandparents if it was better way back when there was law and order? if they bring a lack of communications and business to the region you live in, then they should provide! what do they provide? when will they provide it? do you need food now, or later? how much longer will this war go on? what are they fighting for - what are their goals? ask them..."

    Or, maybe it could be edited to sound ore to them and their families - it is all good and wel having hillary clinton say she can fix the economy of america, but, could she? if obama was in office, what has he done for africa, how has it affected them? then, there is the leaders that need their votes - if they were to say they want to service them to get votes, which is obvious, then maybe they will give them up?

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