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Old 12-28-07, 11:16 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Re: TIME Magazine Man of the Year: Vladimir Putin

[quote=Kandahar;1057492327]TIME published a list of many other influential people, called "People Who Mattered," one of whom was Al Gore. Nowhere did they rank him #2, nor did they even say that these were the next most influential people after Putin.

Wrong.

"Stengel said that Gore finished second in the opinion of the editors, with Rowling third, Hu Jintao fourth and Petraeus fifth. It was the first time the magazine ranked the runners-up."
Russia’s Putin is TIME’s Person of the Year - TODAY: People - MSNBC.com



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While I disagree with some of the names on TIME's secondary list, it is quite easy to generate a list of at least 20 people who were more influential than Petraeus.
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Petraeus certainly isn't among the 20 most influential people in the world. I'm not sure I'd even place him in the top 50, although I might.
Why do you now keep saying "influential", it is who had the greatest impact on the world and the news.


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No. Please enumerate what Petraeus has done that you think makes him more influential than any other person in the world.
If you can figure out what he has done, I can't help you. Whether it had more impact on the world is a matter of opinion.

Go search Iraq and Petraeus and when you learn who he is and what he did get back to us.


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Obviously you don't, or you'd quit saying patently false things like "It's not how much they affected the news, but in what manner they affected the news."
Obviously I do and have stated as such. The question is why Time valued one over the other.
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Old 12-29-07, 05:19 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Re: TIME Magazine Man of the Year: Vladimir Putin

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Wrong.

"Stengel said that Gore finished second in the opinion of the editors, with Rowling third, Hu Jintao fourth and Petraeus fifth. It was the first time the magazine ranked the runners-up."
Russia’s Putin is TIME’s Person of the Year - TODAY: People - MSNBC.com
Finishing second in the opinion of the editors is not the same as the editors picking him as the second-most influential person in the world.

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Want a list of 20 people more important than Petraeus? OK. This is by no means complete, and there are many others ahead of Petraeus as well.

1. Vladimir Putin, 2. George W Bush, 3. Hu Jintao, 4. Angela Merkel, 5. Gordon Brown, 6. John Howard, 7. Josh Bolten, 8. Dick Cheney, 9. Manmohan Singh, 10. Nouri al-Maliki, 11. Benazir Bhutto, 12. Nicolas Sarkozy, 13. Ali Khamenei, 14. Pervez Musharraf, 15. Moqtada al-Sadr, 16. Hillary Clinton, 17. Hugo Chavez, 18. Aung San Suu Kyi, 19. Mahmoud Abbas, 20. Felipe Calderon.

And this isn't even including all the scientists, inventors, and writers, whose influence is usually not recognized until many years later.

If you think Petraeus is more important than every single person on this list, by all means explain why.

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Why do you now keep saying "influential", it is who had the greatest impact on the world and the news.

WTF do you think influential means? How much INFLUENCE people have on the world!

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If you can figure out what he has done, I can't help you.
Typical. Dodge the question when you know you're wrong.
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