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Gaddafi

Chagos said:
I NEVER bother with the CT forum.

You bringing it into here is not going to change that.
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is this anymore deserving of the ct forum than the whole benghazigate scandal? its the same people with the same amount of evidence
 
dimensionallava said:
is this anymore deserving of the ct forum than the whole benghazigate scandal? its the same people with the same amount of evidence
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Is it fact or fiction that we assisted in taking out Qaddafi's ability to protect Libyan cities from the rebels?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Is it fact or fiction that we assisted in taking out Qaddafi's ability to protect Libyan cities from the rebels?
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why is everyone worried about that? the world is flat and these all round earthers here are ignoring it because theyre scared

....so lets talk about that
 
dimensionallava said:
why is everyone worried about that? the world is flat and these all round earthers here are ignoring it because theyre scared

....so lets talk about that
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Anyone who cares about a dignified life of others should be ashamed of the US' role in Libya. We helped decimate that country, for no good reason at all.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Anyone who cares about a dignified life of others should be ashamed of the US' role in Libya. We helped decimate that country, for no good reason at all.
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who cares and the illuminati are controlling our minds with nasa

see post #34 dont you think we should talk about that. you dont want to know truth, i know truth and i use great debatics you just can't see that because your a sheeple
 
dimensionallava said:
who cares and the illuminati are controlling our minds with nasa

see post #34 dont you think we should talk about that. you dont want to know truth, i know truth and i use great debatics you just can't see that because your a sheeple
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I know the truth, and I don't need a video to tell me.

Qaddafi was hard on those breaking the laws and trying to take over the government.

Libya had the highest HDI among all the African nations, and was improving fast.

Most the people were happy, except for the religious radicals.

The so-called protesters he killed were the rebellion, trying to oust Qaddafi.

He ruled with a strong fist, but kept the region safe.

I left many facts out.

Please do tell.

How is Libya better off now? How many decades did we set them back as a nation living in peace with the other nations?
 
Lord of Planar said:
I know the truth, and I don't need a video to tell me.

Qaddafi was hard on those breaking the laws and trying to take over the government.

Libya had the highest HDI among all the African nations, and was improving fast.

Most the people were happy, except for the religious radicals.

The so-called protesters he killed were the rebellion, trying to oust Qaddafi.

He ruled with a strong fist, but kept the region safe.

I left many facts out.

Please do tell.

How is Libya better off now? How many decades did we set them back as a nation living in peace with the other nations?
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so you agree the world is flat.......
 
dimensionallava said:
so you agree the world is flat.......
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You apparently do.

How is Libya better today than six years ago?

Again:

Please do tell.

How is Libya better off now? How many decades did we set them back as a nation living in peace with the other nations?
 
Can any of you blessing the day Qaddafi was killed, tell us how linya is better off for it?

Any guesses at how long it will be until the people enjoy the same prosperity they did under Qaddafi?

Here is something relevant a simple search revealed:

https://libya360.wordpress.com/2013...-continent-from-the-humiliation-of-apartheid/

Gold, Oil, Africa and Why the West Wants Gadhafi Dead

Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don?t Want You to Know | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

2. Education and medical treatment were all free

Under Gaddafi, Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.

3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project

The largest irrigation system in the world also known as the great manmade river was designed to make water readily available to all Libyan’s across the entire country. It was funded by the Gaddafi government and it said that Gaddafi himself called it ”the eighth wonder of the world”.

6. Electricity was free

Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!

7. Cheap petrol

During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.

8. Gaddafi raised the level of education

Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.

The 2010 HDI report has Libya at #53 on pdf page 151:

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/reports/270/hdr_2010_en_complete_reprint.pdf

Libya dropped to #94 in the 2015 report; page 62:

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/2015_human_development_report.pdf
 
Odd and loathsome as he was, he was a damn sight better than the jihadist-riddled anarchy that has replaced him. Most nations in the world are not going to be governed as fairly or humanely as we would like. The U.S. should not expect or demand local Thomas Jeffersons and James Madisons as heads of state in every backwards corner of the world. We should support a government as long as it is not actively hostile to the U.S. or its allies, and is not unusually cruel or oppressive by the standards of the region. We must recognize that there are some very unruly, barbaric places in the world, and that in those places, the only alternative to anarchy and mayhem often involves government actions that are rough, unjust, and sometimes even brutal by our standards.

Khaddafi had come to fear U.S. military power, and during the years before Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton saw fit to launch their private war to oust him, he had dropped his hostility toward this country. He had openly renounced all plans for developing weapons of mass destruction, and he was providing us with a lot of very useful intelligence about jihadists. But that's all gone, and now ISIS is trying hard to establish itself in Libya. That sorry state of affairs is the result of a serious foreign policy failure by President Obama and his former Secretary of State.
 
matchlight said:
That sorry state of affairs is the result of a serious foreign policy failure by President Obama and his former Secretary of State.
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Maybe we shouldn't blame Hillary for her inept job on the matter. She isn't qualified to do any quality government work. Obama should have never given her the keys to that huge responsibility, and those in the senate confirming her should be ousted as well.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Why can't you tell us how Libya is better today?
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It's not worth an hour and a half of their life to know the truth about the world they live in because it hasn't affected them yet physically. I've done my part. If they don't want to listen there will come a time they wish they had when they're going "omg I can't believe our government is doing this to us".
 
sKiTzo said:
My god - what does it take to get people to see the light?

THERE WAS NO CIVIL WAR. THESE PEOPLE WERE LIVING THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE. THEY HAD ZERO HOMELESS. ELECTRICITY, TUITION, AND HEALTHCARE WERE FREE. GADDAFI HARNESSED THE WEALTH OF THE NATION TO BENEFIT THE PEOPLE. HE SPREAD AND SHARED THE WEALTH. IN 1977, HE GAVE UP RULE AND TURNED IT OVER TO THE PEOPLE SETTING UP TRIBUNALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT WERE RUN BY THE PEOPLE. THE "REBELS" WERE CIA-TRAINED MERCENARIES, NOT LIBYANS, AND THEY WERE BOMBING WOMEN AND CHILDREN.. GADDAFI WAS A HERO TO HIS PEOPLE. HE MADE GHANDI LOOK LIKE HITLER. NATO DESTROYED EVERYTHING THEY HAD WITH THE MEDIA LYING TO US SAYING HE WAS A BRUTAL DICTATOR. NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. WE'VE BEEN PUNKED ONCE AGAIN BY THE MEDIA.

I'm fkn pissed and so should you be.
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You should be pissed at all the HYPERBOLE presented...

Oh, wait, those are your words.
 
PeteEU said:
Would rather have left him in place and power. He would have kept the flow of illegals out of Europe and we would not have a broken nation across the med from Italy.
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Sadly his people did not agree and he could not murder them all. Why is the fact that it was the Libyan people who began the revolt never mentioned?
 
iguanaman said:
Sadly his people did not agree and he could not murder them all. Why is the fact that it was the Libyan people who began the revolt never mentioned?
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Actually it was a rival tribe that started the revolt..
 
sKiTzo said:
Are you Libyan? Because you're the only one on here who knows exactly what really happpened. I was like everybody else here - I had thought Gaddafi was a maniac dictator BECAUSE I LISTENED TO WHAT THE MEDIA TOLD US. I was so shocked when I found out the truth because it revealed another truth much bigger than anything else we could ever discuss here. It appears we've underestimated the scale of the role that the media plays in deceiving the people and its effectiveness.

We all know the media lies. What we didn't know was the grand scale of it all. This means that control of the media is the #1 most important tool of the globalists. This makes me wonder if Assad is the maniac they say he is, and if Hussein or Khomeni were as well...after all, they all have one thing in common: they were leaders of the few remaining countries that were not under Rothschild banking control. This is so fkng sick it's amazing.
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How surprising. Two people that fall for virtually every fairy tale conspiracy known to man, agree with each other. Call me shocked.
 
braindrain said:
How surprising. Two people that fall for virtually every fairy tale conspiracy known to man, agree with each other. Call me shocked.
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So the verdict is nobody cares. Just say you don't care rather than not watching the video that shows I'm 100% correct and then making a comment.
 
dimensionallava said:
hard to say whether a 40 year rule like qaddafis was a good or a bad thing, he was a socialist like gamal nasser, he beleived in arab national socialism similair to assad and saddam. basically religous conservatism combined with socialist economic policy but Libya is a collapsed state from the ottoman empire with only a population of 6 million. And quite frankly between the ottomans, fascist italy, the short lived kingdom of libya, and its state of virtual anarchy today, qaddafi was the best thing that ever happened to Libya. The country is so small, that the coup that brought qaddafi into power was completely bloodless.
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Medusa said:
like the other dictators ,he first became a friend of the West ,then he was overthrown when he is not necessary anymore

note : I cant see the poll
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DaveFagan said:
I think Qaddaffi did a fine job of taking care of Libyans and that was his primary responsibility. His Nations was a shining jewel in Africa. He could be dead because he was teaching other African Nations how to deal with Corporatism acquiring African resources but maintaining African control. His United States of Africa plan was a threat to the NWO and he was financing that infrastructure. Just before his murder, he had stated that terrorists were invading Libya and wanted to eliminate them. He was right. The US, EU, UK and other Nations that have caused the disintegration of Libya were wrong and knew they were wrong. Qaddaffi was a thorn in their megalomaniacal plans to control the World's money and energy. Libya and Qaddaffi represent the shining example of flawed US policy in the MidEast, i.e., turn a reasonably successful independent Nation into a morass of death, chaos, and destruction.
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sKiTzo said:
So the verdict is nobody cares. Just say you don't care rather than not watching the video that shows I'm 100% correct and then making a comment.
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That's just flat out hysterical. You actually believe a dicatator like Gaddafi when he says "terrorists" are invading? In his worldview, "terrorists" we're anyone who disagreed with him. On anything.

Here's a partial list of terrorist or militiant to groups which received arms and funding from Libya:

Action Directe
ETA
The Freedom Party of Austria
The Red Army Faction
The Provisonal Irish Republican Army
Red Brigades
Abu Nidal
Sandinista National Liberation Front
Moro National Liberation Front
MPLA
Polisario Front
National Liberation Front of Liberia
Tupamaros
Free Aceh Movement
Black Septemeber
The Japanese Red Army
Radicals within the already radical wing of the Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam
M-19
Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia
Eriterian Liberation Front
Milosevic loyalists

He also tried(and failed miserably) to set up a puppet state in Chad, had his diplomats conduct acts of terrorism and generally acted like an asshole. He was supported by the Soviets, not "The West".
 
Tigerace117 said:
That's just flat out hysterical. You actually believe a dicatator like Gaddafi when he says "terrorists" are invading? In his worldview, "terrorists" we're anyone who disagreed with him. On anything.

Here's a partial list of terrorist or militiant to groups which received arms and funding from Libya:

Action Directe
ETA
The Freedom Party of Austria
The Red Army Faction
The Provisonal Irish Republican Army
Red Brigades
Abu Nidal
Sandinista National Liberation Front
Moro National Liberation Front
MPLA
Polisario Front
National Liberation Front of Liberia
Tupamaros
Free Aceh Movement
Black Septemeber
The Japanese Red Army
Radicals within the already radical wing of the Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam
M-19
Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia
Eriterian Liberation Front
Milosevic loyalists

He also tried(and failed miserably) to set up a puppet state in Chad, had his diplomats conduct acts of terrorism and generally acted like an asshole. He was supported by the Soviets, not "The West".
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do you have a source for any of that?

by the way the USA has funded way more terrorists than that tiny list....
 
dimensionallava said:
do you have a source for any of that?

by the way the USA has funded way more terrorists than that tiny list....
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http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65479.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Libya_under_Muammar_Gaddafi

Libyan Training Camps

That "tiny" list is not only just a partial one, it also is responsible for thousands of deaths. Not to mention as a communist you really have no room to point the finger vis-a-vis supporting terrorism
 
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