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Europe's Open-Border Policy may be Nearing its End.....[W:31]

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Oh my.....did the Europeans have an epiphany?
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Raising alarm bells over open borders. Weren't the Euros criticizing us about our Border issue? Just think if they do End the Open Border Policy how that will be looked upon. What say ye?



Europe has for 30 years allowed most of its citizens to travel freely from one country to the next, but the experiment in open borders is now facing calls for its end amid several new threats. "We face a diffuse terrorist threat trying to attack our values," French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told an emergency meeting of foreign ministers from France, Germany, Spain, Italy and other European nations, who met in Paris to deal with terrorism and improve security in the wake of the attack by gunman Ayoub El-Khazzani on the Amsterdam-Paris Thalys train last week.

At the heart of the discussion was whether or not the European Union border policy of free travel, known as "Schengen," can survive the waves of growing attacks against civilians in Europe.

The "perfect storm," as a European diplomat called it, has hit Europe: terrorism, a migration crisis, and crime. Although they are not directly connected, the perception among many seasoned Europe observers is that the free movement of people across borders is making it easier for waves of people who intend to commit acts of violence to prey on victims - and to escape prosecution.....snip~

Europe's open-border policy Schengen may be nearing its end - CBS News
 
It's about time...though probably too late to prevent extensive Muslim immigration.
 
Too late, they are already experiencing quite a bit of drama with their little experiment.
 
why is it only white countries complain about immigrants?
 
dimensionallava said:
why is it only white countries complain about immigrants?
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What? :roll:


Costa Rica - Migration

Large numbers of Nicaraguans migrate seasonally to Costa Rica seeking employment opportunities. Illegal migration is a major national concern, with estimates of 300,000 to 500,000 in 1999, mostly from Nicaragua. In the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch, Costa Rica declared an amnesty, which expired on 31 July 1999. While intended primarily for aliens from Belize and Panama, UNHCR secured a provision that extended the amnesty to refugees. Under the amnesty, some 160,000 people applied for permanent residence. In 2000 there were 311,000 migrants living in Costa Rica, including 5,500 refugees. The net migration rate in that year was 5.3 migrants per 1,000 population. The government viewed the immigration level as too high.

Read more: Migration - Costa Rica
 
MMC said:
Oh my.....did the Europeans have an epiphany?
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Raising alarm bells over open borders. Weren't the Euros criticizing us about our Border issue? Just think if they do End the Open Border Policy how that will be looked upon. What say ye?



Europe has for 30 years allowed most of its citizens to travel freely from one country to the next, but the experiment in open borders is now facing calls for its end amid several new threats. "We face a diffuse terrorist threat trying to attack our values," French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve told an emergency meeting of foreign ministers from France, Germany, Spain, Italy and other European nations, who met in Paris to deal with terrorism and improve security in the wake of the attack by gunman Ayoub El-Khazzani on the Amsterdam-Paris Thalys train last week.

At the heart of the discussion was whether or not the European Union border policy of free travel, known as "Schengen," can survive the waves of growing attacks against civilians in Europe.

The "perfect storm," as a European diplomat called it, has hit Europe: terrorism, a migration crisis, and crime. Although they are not directly connected, the perception among many seasoned Europe observers is that the free movement of people across borders is making it easier for waves of people who intend to commit acts of violence to prey on victims - and to escape prosecution.....snip~

Europe's open-border policy Schengen may be nearing its end - CBS News
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I don't give a crap about Europe and all its stupidity now realizing they have been idiots after the damage has been done.

What I am concerned with is the feckless liberals in this country who think like the idiot Europeans now wringing their hands over the feckless choices they have allowed.


The border needs secured. Immigration laws need enforced and we have 436 more days till we can tell the current occupant in the WH to take his pen and phone and shove it where the sun don't shine. Nuff said.
 
dimensionallava said:
why is it only white countries complain about immigrants?
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Many non-white countries are having to deal with massive numbers of "refugees" From the OP link:

The migrant crisis is adding to the security dilemma with waves of refugees moving through Europe. Several United Nations agencies are trying to cope with the crisis. U.N. Refugee agency (UNHCR) spokesperson Melissa Fleming said, at a press briefing last week at the Palais des Nations in Geneva, that the number of refugees and migrants crossing the Mediterranean this year has now exceeded 300,000, and 2,500 refugees and migrants have died or gone missing this year, trying to reach Europe.
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The impact of a Syrian population on the move has been felt across the Middle East. Neighboring Turkey now hosts more refugees than any other nation, knocking Pakistan to No. 2. Lebanon has the world’s highest concentration, at nearly a quarter of those living in the tiny Mediterranean nation.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...9c3fc0-14ff-11e5-8457-4b431bf7ed4c_story.html
 
MMC said:
What? :roll:


Costa Rica - Migration

Large numbers of Nicaraguans migrate seasonally to Costa Rica seeking employment opportunities. Illegal migration is a major national concern, with estimates of 300,000 to 500,000 in 1999, mostly from Nicaragua. In the aftermath of Hurricane Mitch, Costa Rica declared an amnesty, which expired on 31 July 1999. While intended primarily for aliens from Belize and Panama, UNHCR secured a provision that extended the amnesty to refugees. Under the amnesty, some 160,000 people applied for permanent residence. In 2000 there were 311,000 migrants living in Costa Rica, including 5,500 refugees. The net migration rate in that year was 5.3 migrants per 1,000 population. The government viewed the immigration level as too high.

Read more: Migration - Costa Rica
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thats the best you can find? thats not even a news article, thats some random data about hurricane Mitch refugees from almost 20 years ago

costa ricans are not foaming at the mouth over "immigrants", they actually just changed their relaxed their policies, allowing migrant workers to apply for tourist visas

Why is Costa Rica Issuing Tourist Visas to Migrant Workers? - Costa Rica Star News
 
The free movement of people is not the same as the free movement of EU citizens. A nation without control of its borders (i.e. has immigration control) can indeed become a mess.
 
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vesper said:
I don't give a crap about Europe and all its stupidity now realizing they have been idiots after the damage has been done.

What I am concerned with is the feckless liberals in this country who think like the idiot Europeans now wringing their hands over the feckless choices they have allowed.


The border needs secured. Immigration laws need enforced and we have 436 more days till we can tell the current occupant in the WH to take his pen and phone and shove it where the sun don't shine. Nuff said.
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Heya Vesper.
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Well we should as they will show us what wont work.

Despite terrorism and crime being separate issues. The French Interpol did find there is a connection. All in connection to Migration and Refugees. It wont be different anywhere else.




New York Times correspondent, Marlise Simons, based in Paris who has covered Europe extensively, told CBS News: "Terror and crime are two very separate issues, but there is a connection, because of eastern European criminal networks that prey on the influx of people who are traveling through Europe, police say. In the villages around Paris, bands have swept in over the past few summers, stealing farming machinery, which is usually unguarded, and a number of villages near Mantes- La Jolie have dug trenches around playing fields and communal green spaces and some have put up boulders."

In May, at the United Nations Jürgen Stock, Secretary General of INTERPOL told the Security Council that in 2014, less than 900 foreign terrorist fighters had been identified through INTERPOL channels. And in 2015, more than 4,000 are available in their databases.....snip~ same link.
 
Manc Skipper said:
I don't know where he gets his stormfront news.

Germany are expecting another 600,000 migrants this year, the soccer crowds are going wild!

One country is going out of its way to welcome refugees heading for Europe
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CBS news is Stormfront now Skipper.....thats a new one. Are you speading that round over there. Desperation has set in, huh?

I take it you haven't been listening to Merkel lately either. :roll:



Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany has been outspoken about the migration crisis and the need to make changes to the asylum system.....snip~


Yo Skipper.....now I know you are overseas. Still, you should really give up the Think Progress talking points.
 
dimensionallava said:
why is it only white countries complain about immigrants?
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Because they are generally the only countries people want to immigrate to. Not a big line of people looking to immigrate to Sudan, or Yemen, or North Korea, or .... well, you get the idea.
 
dimensionallava said:
thats the best you can find? thats not even a news article, thats some random data about hurricane Mitch refugees from almost 20 years ago

costa ricans are not foaming at the mouth over "immigrants", they actually just changed their relaxed their policies, allowing migrant workers to apply for tourist visas

Why is Costa Rica Issuing Tourist Visas to Migrant Workers? - Costa Rica Star News
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No, that was just an easy one that came to mind which helped your perspective for what it was. Especially when crying out White People.

Then there is Turkey, that's with Illegal Immigration and Refugees. Jordan and refugees too.

Also, there is another term those overseas use. Its called Irregular Immigration. Which just isn't used by the White Man and that fallacy.
 
Wiggen said:
Because they are generally the only countries people want to immigrate to. Not a big line of people looking to immigrate to Sudan, or Yemen, or North Korea, or .... well, you get the idea.
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True, and in any case, there are other examples; it's all a matter of immigrants going to a place that is less bad than their own, regardless of dominant skin color in the receiving country - The Dominican Republic was recently upset about Haitian immigration and Brazil was upset about Bolivians (while Brazil was still doing well economically; now that they are in trouble, probably the Bolivians won't go there any longer).
 
This issue *is* a legitimate concern, though.

Look at this article:

No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

Oops, it seems like the article is just for subscribers. Sorry.

Some of what it says:

The UN says 160,000 illegal immigrants have poured into Greece since January, four times more than in all 2014. At least 80 per cent are Syrians.

Another 110,000 illegal immigrants have sailed to Italy this year, mainly from Libya, also torn apart by jihadists and operating as a transit point for economic refugees from Africa.

Just last Saturday, 4400 people were picked up off Libya from a flotilla of 20 vessels.

Europe is in shock. Greek islands such as Kos have been swamped with illegal immigrants coming by boat.

Greece, desperate to get rid of them, hired ferries to ship thousands to the mainland to resume their trek to their real destination — the richer countries of the European Union and particularly Germany.

Germany has already registered 44,417 applications for refugee status from Syrians in the first half of this year and now expects up to 800,000 applications in all by December.
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The article says that ISIS is one of the major driving forces for this immigration given that people are fleeing them.

Then it says this:

That danger is real. The Charlie Hebdo terrorists were sons of Algerian immigrants; the jihadist who tried to shoot up the Paris-Amsterdam train last week was from Morocco; immigrant areas of Paris and Sweden’s Malmo are repeatedly rocked by riots; and some 4000 Europeans, mainly the children of immigrants, have joined the Islamic State.

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Unless the Islamists are stopped, millions more refugees will join this invasion of Europe, including parents of tomorrow’s jihadists.
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This is crazy. Crazy!

800,000 refuges in Germany by December? And this is just the beginning, if this continues.

I'm mostly liberal in several of my views, but not in matters of uncontrolled immigration and regarding this clash of civilizations between Western ideals and crazy jihadists, exactly because being too liberal in these matters risks killing the very same Western ideals I'm fond of.

European liberalism will end up killing Europe.

Two things need to happen, to preserve Europe:

1) Border controls need to be enforced again. The situation has changed, and the beautiful idea of the Schengen zone is no longer holding water.

2) Western countries need to get together, and engage in a *massive* military attack on ISIS including boots on the ground. *Overwhelming* force needs to be gathered so that they are decimated from the face of Earth.

Europe will deeply regret the dismal state of affairs that will happen in say, ten years, if these two countermeasures don't happen.
 
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dimensionallava said:
why is it only white countries complain about immigrants?
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Why is it that only black countries are bleeding immigrants from their shlthole countries to white countries?
 
MMC said:
Heya Vesper.
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Well we should as they will show us what wont work.

Despite terrorism and crime being separate issues. The French Interpol did find there is a connection. All in connection to Migration and Refugees. It wont be different anywhere else.




New York Times correspondent, Marlise Simons, based in Paris who has covered Europe extensively, told CBS News: "Terror and crime are two very separate issues, but there is a connection, because of eastern European criminal networks that prey on the influx of people who are traveling through Europe, police say. In the villages around Paris, bands have swept in over the past few summers, stealing farming machinery, which is usually unguarded, and a number of villages near Mantes- La Jolie have dug trenches around playing fields and communal green spaces and some have put up boulders."

In May, at the United Nations Jürgen Stock, Secretary General of INTERPOL told the Security Council that in 2014, less than 900 foreign terrorist fighters had been identified through INTERPOL channels. And in 2015, more than 4,000 are available in their databases.....snip~ same link.
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Evening MMC, look Europe has become the poster child of what not to do. Yet, we have a swath of liberals in this country who swear they are the sharpest pencils in the box promoting the same friggen failed policies. Then you have the agenda driven United Nations chiming in. I don't give a damn about what the UN thinks. I don't give a damn what anyone who puts the needs of Americans behind others. For I think for anyone who would put another before an American in this country is pond scum. Nuff said.
 
vesper said:
I don't give a crap about Europe and all its stupidity now realizing they have been idiots after the damage has been done.

What I am concerned with is the feckless liberals in this country who think like the idiot Europeans now wringing their hands over the feckless choices they have allowed.


The border needs secured. Immigration laws need enforced and we have 436 more days till we can tell the current occupant in the WH to take his pen and phone and shove it where the sun don't shine. Nuff said.
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Why don't you and the OP keep quiet about Europe already?

Clearly neither of you even understands the issue in Europe.

It never had open borders to anyone just wanting to dance in, its borders were open internally. IN THE EU.

So what you're ignorantly and insultingly griping about has about as much value as if Europeans were to call the US stupid for not putting up armed and heavily fortified borders between California and Nevada.

The Med is a far more effective barrier than the Arizona desert BTW, but these stupid Europeans actually send out boats to rescue the drowning refugees, rather than let them die like the cruel and stupid US do in the Sonora desert.

D'ya see what I did there?

Jesus wept.:roll:
 
Chagos said:
Why don't you and the OP keep quiet about Europe already?

Clearly neither of you even understands the issue in Europe.

It never had open borders to anyone just wanting to dance in, its borders were open internally. IN THE EU.

So what you're ignorantly and insultingly griping about has about as much value as if Europeans were to call the US stupid for not putting up armed and heavily fortified borders between California and Nevada.

The Med is a far more effective barrier than the Arizona desert BTW, but these stupid Europeans actually send out boats to rescue the drowning refugees, rather than let them die like the cruel and stupid US do in the Sonora desert.

D'ya see what I did there?

Jesus wept.:roll:
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Ohhhh but many of us are well aware of the feckless policies in Europe that has caused them "pause" and are now wringing their hands.
Hell they bent over backwards giving up sovereignty to their own countries to appease others, Yes we have been watching afar on their pathetic "political correct" moves. And now there is trouble in River City ....,go figure. :lamo
 
vesper said:
Ohhhh but many of us are well aware of the feckless policies in Europe that has caused them "pause" and are now wringing their hands.
Hell they bent over backwards giving up sovereignty to their own countries to appease others, Yes we have been watching afar on their pathetic "political correct" moves. And now there is trouble in River City ....,go figure. :lamo
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Clueless as charged and no, not Europe either.
 
Chagos said:
Clueless as charged and no, not Europe either.
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I read your reply and instantly for some reason the Wizard of Oz came to mind. And then it went to focusing on the scarecrow. You remember the scarecrow don't you? He was the one asking for a brain. Hmmmmm wonder why that popped into my head.
 
vesper said:
I read your reply and instantly for some reason the Wizard of Oz came to mind. And then it went to focusing on the scarecrow. You remember the scarecrow don't you? He was the one asking for a brain. Hmmmmm wonder why that popped into my head.
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A brain popped into your head?

That's very doubtful.:2razz:
 
Chagos said:
A brain popped into your head?

That's very doubtful.:2razz:
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Oh my goodness sorry to see you suffer from the inability to comprehend what you read. That must be a real trial for you.

I did however glean what the scarcecrow sang in the Wizard of Oz.

I could while away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain

And my head, I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If I only had a brain

I'd unravel every riddle
For any individual
In trouble or in pain

With the thoughts you'll be thinkin'
You could be another Lincoln
If you only had a brain

Oh, I could tell you why the ocean's near the shore
I could think of things I never thunk before
And then I'd sit and think some more

I would not be just a nothin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain

I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain

Gosh, it would be awful [Incomprehensible]
To reason out the reason
For things I can't explain

Then perhaps I'll deserve your
And be even worthy of your
If I only had a brain
 
vesper said:
Oh my goodness sorry to see you suffer from the inability to comprehend what you read.
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Oh that's ok, I don't suffer much from incomprehension. You just mistook my doubts on a brain suddenly popping into your head for reading incomprehension.

Although I will admit that your self-appraisal of that happening in view of previous lack did astound me.

Nice song BTW, especially your admittance re. the last line.

I incidentally forgot to congratulate you so consider it done now. ;)
 
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