• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July 4

Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

its a game of chicken played in international waters

seeing which force blinks first

99.9% of the time, these are routine and nothing much to report

that .1% can be a real bitch though.....

all you need is a hotdog on one side or the other, someone getting a little too close to the others plane

been happening for decades.....helps both sides keep their jet jockeys active and trained
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

It is not a question of knowing, education or will. It is the game that is defining itself. It is competitive, multipolar structure. Its optimum solution is open conflict. If we do not change the structure, we get war.

The game's optimum solution may be open conflict, but I say the structure is maintained by other and higher powers that usually do not prescribe to military codes of conduct.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Good point. I should have said that he did not understand the issue. Past tense. But it would help if he was more honest and knowledgeable during the 2012 debates. Perhaps the American public would be more knowledgeable.

You see the attitude of those who voted for him in this thread. No big deal, the same as Obama at the time.

Obama capitulated to Russia by abandoning the missile defense shield in Europe. He misjudged Putin when he promised "flexibility" as he was coming back into office.

He learned the hard way his "hope and change" has no place on the international military stage with those who hate us.

It seems it took a Russian invasion to convince him otherwise.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

The cold war never ended. I would call this a warm war.

Exactly. Putin is in power. The guy is an ex KGB hardliner. And he won't leave power till he is killed or dies.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

The game's optimum solution may be open conflict, but I say the structure is maintained by other and higher powers that usually do not prescribe to military codes of conduct.

I certainly wish you were right. Alas, I have seen no evidence of this.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

I certainly wish you were right. Alas, I have seen no evidence of this.

The last chain in the military command is the elected President. Have you seen evidence that Presidents are a good for a "go" in Global open war?
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

The last chain in the military command is the elected President. Have you seen evidence that Presidents are a good for a "go" in Global open war?

Oh, yes. They have been known to risk it. But there are many ways we can slip into war, when in a situation like pre WW1. And that is where we are going.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Oh, yes. They have been known to risk it. But there are many ways we can slip into war, when in a situation like pre WW1. And that is where we are going.

Okay, this position just got repeated.

How about you elaborate the scenes that you have in mind that resemble the ones from WW1?
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Okay, this position just got repeated.

How about you elaborate the scenes that you have in mind that resemble the ones from WW1?

The first thing is to realize that the US or Russia are not the only players in the game and that the most dangerous thing about the game plan is technological or human error. An attack requires retaliation out of the logic of the game or blackmail rules. If first strike capability is enough to prevent the attacked to retaliate, the response time is crucial. A twenty minute delivery say Saudi Arabia to Iran that destroys the nuclear capability gives the attacked ten minutes to decide, if it is an attack or a technical failure. The decision matrix is a little more complicated, but not very much so.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

The first thing is to realize that the US or Russia are not the only players in the game and that the most dangerous thing about the game plan is technological or human error. An attack requires retaliation out of the logic of the game or blackmail rules. If first strike capability is enough to prevent the attacked to retaliate, the response time is crucial. A twenty minute delivery say Saudi Arabia to Iran that destroys the nuclear capability gives the attacked ten minutes to decide, if it is an attack or a technical failure. The decision matrix is a little more complicated, but not very much so.

Which of the presidents of these countries mentioned above is planning to make the first attack?
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Which of the presidents of these countries mentioned above is planning to make the first attack?

More interesting would be, which would not respond to an all out attack, before the second strike capability was wiped out.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

U.S. Air Force leader sees Russia as 'biggest threat'


Those old turbo-props are just collecting ELINT data. The real deal will be Tu-160 bombers armed with new Yu-71 hypersonic (Mach 10) nuclear missiles.

Tu-160_at_MAKS_2007.jpg

The Russian Tu-160 Blackjack bomber is the world's largest supersonic variable-sweep aircraft
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

More interesting would be, which would not respond to an all out attack, before the second strike capability was wiped out.

This question, though it has more interest (I agree) depends on the previous question: Which of the presidents of the countries mentioned above is planning to make the first attack?

Thereby is secondary by nature.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Simpleχity;1064803522 said:
U.S. Air Force leader sees Russia as 'biggest threat'


Those old turbo-props are just collecting ELINT data. The real deal will be Tu-160 bombers armed with new Yu-71 hypersonic (Mach 10) nuclear missiles.

Tu-160_at_MAKS_2007.jpg

The Russian Tu-160 Blackjack bomber is the world's largest supersonic variable-sweep aircraft

Bah, a Weak-O-Pedia source...

Russia may be one threat, but so is China.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

This question, though it has more interest (I agree) depends on the previous question: Which of the presidents of the countries mentioned above is planning to make the first attack?

Thereby is secondary by nature.

I do not think that a first strike would normally be in any rules's interest, unless he thinks he can win. Any competent military, however, plans attack and quick response. And in some cases intelligence might tell the leader that all is too late and first strike quick is the only way to prevent losing. This could be in a situation of war between an ally and an aggressor or between an enemy and a neighbor etc. Where you might find another problem is in the sale of wmd to non formal groups. This has happened and could again. The material could be released in say NYC or Shanghai and a million or more could die. That could annoy any ruler to the point of attack, depending on the circumstances.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

I do not think that a first strike would normally be in any rules's interest, unless he thinks he can win. Any competent military, however, plans attack and quick response. And in some cases intelligence might tell the leader that all is too late and first strike quick is the only way to prevent losing. This could be in a situation of war between an ally and an aggressor or between an enemy and a neighbor etc. Where you might find another problem is in the sale of wmd to non formal groups. This has happened and could again. The material could be released in say NYC or Shanghai and a million or more could die. That could annoy any ruler to the point of attack, depending on the circumstances.

Killing a million or so civilians does tend to annoy their rulers.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Okay, this position just got repeated.

How about you elaborate the scenes that you have in mind that resemble the ones from WW1?

Complicate political alliances, inept politicians confused about their position, military leaders confused about how war is going to proceed into the future, new technology streaming out more rapidly than tactics can develop, increased unrest in areas where larger nations have an interest in local issues.

I'm not saying that we are getting into another world war. But I'm also not saying that it isn't a possibility. War doesn't have to be conducted openly. Espionage, black operations, cyberwar, and economic warfare are the newest weapons.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Simpleχity;1064803522 said:
U.S. Air Force leader sees Russia as 'biggest threat'


Those old turbo-props are just collecting ELINT data. The real deal will be Tu-160 bombers armed with new Yu-71 hypersonic (Mach 10) nuclear missiles.

Tu-160_at_MAKS_2007.jpg

The Russian Tu-160 Blackjack bomber is the world's largest supersonic variable-sweep aircraft

Yeah we know. The most powerful nation on earth moves perpetually from one "greatest threat" to another, constantly giving maintenance to the industry of defense contractors which are the chief beneficiaries of peddling such FEAR. We must sell arms to the Ukrainians now because Russia is our greatest threat at this moment???????? Well maybe it's an overlap between them and Iran. :lamo
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Simpleχity;1064807307 said:
Lol @ Monte. He always knows more than those within the information loop.


Yesterday it was the Air Force Secretary...

U.S. Air Force leader sees Russia as 'biggest threat'


Today the newly nominated Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff agreed...

Russia is biggest threat to US national security, Joint Chiefs nominee tells Congress

Yep, the new place to fear is Russia.

USFP is the biggest threat to world peace.

"They’ve basically come to a consensus that despite their differences over some national interests, they really face the same common enemy,” said Gilbert Rozman, an expert on China-Russia relations at Princeton University.

– From the Wall Street Journal article: China Parades Closer Ties in Moscow

So in response to more than a dozen years of belligerent US foreign policy, Russia and China forge alliances to defend their interests, while the Pentagon brass wrings their hands over our next "biggest threat". It really is true. People do not learn lessons.
 
Last edited:
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

So in response to more than a dozen years of belligerent US foreign policy, Russia and China forge alliances to defend their interests...
Lol. As long as Moscow remains over the proverbial barrel, Beijing has a new chew toy to wrangle concessions from.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

Simpleχity;1064807519 said:
Lol. As long as Moscow remains over the proverbial barrel, Beijing has a new chew toy to wrangle concessions from.

Oh, so there's really not any reason for concern. Well maybe the Pentagon brass just thinks they need a budget increase so that our defense spending is ten times that of China's instead of eight times. Lol. Like I said, you're a perfect example that people don't learn lessons.
 
Re: US jets intercepted Russian bombers off the California and Alaska coasts on July

The cold war never ended. I would call this a warm war.

I don't know about that. I haven't seen anything that is nearly as dangerous as the kind of thing that regularly took place during the Cold War.
 
Back
Top Bottom