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It's Two Weeks Into 2015, and One of the U.S.'s Closest Allies Has Beheaded 10 People

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Amadeus said:
Luckily you don't have to worry about that, even as Muslims immigrate to the West.
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I am not worried we will go that far, i'm certainly worried about what some malcontents will do as punishment for us not following their religious law, I would also rather not get blowed up at the Seattle Art Museum, or have editors gunned down in their offices. I also like my airlines to land at an airport, and not the Empire State building

I think we need more surveillance on people coming from certain parts of the world, if a Saudi overstays their visa for instance that should be a red flag in a computer system and ICE should be looking for them.

Ultimately we need to sponsor more moderate Muslim leaders, and find ways to provide more education in the Muslim world, because as a general rule most of the people who become violent are not well educated...
 
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foadi said:
I wonder how much they pay the executioner who cuts off the heads.

Odd question, I know. I wonder what type of person he is.
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He is not as bad as Obama who uses lethal injection and the poor guy suffers for about 15 mins before he is gone.
 
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RDS said:
He is not as bad as Obama who uses lethal injection and the poor guy suffers for about 15 mins before he is gone.
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That guy did not suffer for 15 minutes, part of the injection is a sedative. Any of these alleged "botched executions " i'll bet you anything the defendant was in a state of euphoria.

Too bad really, I'm not a huge death penalty guy but my belief is always been if they're worth killing their worth killing by hanging
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
That guy did not suffer for 15 minutes, part of the injection is a sedative. Any of these alleged "botched executions " i'll bet you anything the defendant was in a state of euphoria.

Too bad really, I'm not a huge death penalty guy but my belief is always been if they're worth killing their worth killing by hanging
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Checkout this:

Lethal drugs injected 15 times in botched Arizona execution | MSNBC
 
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VanceMack said:
Actually, its fundamentalist Islam practiced in MANY countries and by fundamentalist Muslims throughout the world.
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Fundamentalist Islamic tradition come sin many different flavors and does not necessarily mean Islamism.

I've talked to a few Muslims in the U.S who consider their family to be "of the fundamentalist tradition," and their girls are ambitious and successful in school, they don't wear hijab, believe government should be secular, and their youngest generation especially (sons and daughters) are very westernized.


So to the people who are generalizing literally billions of people as dangerous and saying they all believe in these sorts of things: Quit thinking you know everything and actually talk to a damn Muslim.

Yes, there are dangerous and radical Muslims. But we do not say all Muslims are bad by extension. Just as we do not say all blacks are criminal because there are some black people who are criminals.
 
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Mathematica said:
Fundamentalist Islamic tradition come sin many different flavors and does not necessarily mean Islamism.

I've talked to a few Muslims in the U.S who consider their family to be "of the fundamentalist tradition," and their girls are ambitious and successful in school, they don't wear hijab, believe government should be secular, and their youngest generation especially (sons and daughters) are very westernized.


So to the people who are generalizing literally billions of people as dangerous and saying they all believe in these sorts of things: Quit thinking you know everything and actually talk to a damn Muslim.

Yes, there are dangerous and radical Muslims. But we do not say all Muslims are bad by extension. Just as we do not say all blacks are criminal because there are some black people who are criminals.
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Read the whole post and then read the post by the guy I was actually responding to.
 
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VanceMack said:
Read the whole post and then read the post by the guy I was actually responding to.
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1.) I did read the entirety of both posts.

2.) There's a reason why I only quoted that section of your post. That's the only thing I wished to reply to. Past the first sentence or so, I was no longer even addressing you (I was addressing a more general audience to begin with).
 
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MMC said:
Myanmar woman screams innocence before Saudi beheading: video.....

A Myanmar woman beheaded in a Saudi street this week for killing her husband's young daughter is seen screaming her innocence in a video posted on the Internet Saturday. Saudi authorities have arrested someone for filming the incident, said local newspaper websites, including Okaz and Al-Riyadh, in reports accompanied by still shots from the recording. They did not say what the arrest was for.

"Investigations led to her trial which proved she was guilty," the interior ministry said, quoted by SPA. The child, also "Burmese," died from a beating and from being raped with a broomstick, it said.

"I did not kill. There is no God but God. I did not kill," cries the woman, covered in black, apparently kneeling on the pavement circled by police officers in the video on LiveLeak. "Haram. Haram. Haram. Haram. I did not kill ... I do not forgive you ... This is an injustice," she screams in Arabic, using the Islamic term for something that is forbidden. The executioner, dressed in a white robe, forces her to lie down on the ground, near a pedestrian crossing. Mountains are seen in the distance. "I did not," she continues before a final scream as the executioner's curved sword severs her head, in a traditional execution for the kingdom, which carries out death sentences in public.....snip~

Myanmar woman screams innocence before Saudi beheading: video

I wonder if she raped a lil girl with a broomstick. So what happens if the Saud investigators gets it wrong? Do they get their head removed for causing the death of another?
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If you want to make a case for Saudi Arabia being a particularly brutal society, there must surely be better examples than this case to support such a claim.

In this case, we have a woman who was convicted in accordance with whatever order and process exists in Saudi Arabia, of a horrific crime involving the torture, sexual abuse, and murder of a young child. I think the vast majority of Americans would agree that this is a crime that fully merits the forfeiture of the offender's life.

It is well known that in Saudi Arabia, there are actions that are considered serious crimes, that in our own society are either considered much less serious, or not crimes at all. We can disagree with the scale of Saudi Arabia's system of laws and punishment, but to a considerable degree, we are obligated to respect their right as a sovereign nation to enact and enforce laws in accordance with the values of their own society, even where these values differ significantly from those of our society.
 
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RDS said:
He is not as bad as Obama who uses lethal injection and the poor guy suffers for about 15 mins before he is gone.
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EMNofSeattle said:
That guy did not suffer for 15 minutes, part of the injection is a sedative. Any of these alleged "botched executions " i'll bet you anything the defendant was in a state of euphoria.

Too bad really, I'm not a huge death penalty guy but my belief is always been if they're worth killing their worth killing by hanging
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In the recent case that I think is being referenced here, the scumbag surely did not suffer nearly as much in the ending of his life, as his victim did.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
In the recent case that I think is being referenced here, the scumbag surely did not suffer nearly as much in the ending of his life, as his victim did.
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So does the punishment fit the crime?
 
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RDS said:
So does the punishment fit the crime?
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The most fitting punishment for the crimes involved would have had to involve making him suffer pain and terror comparable to what he made his victim suffer, before killing him.

Alas, modern interpretations of the Eighth Amendment prohibit us from imposing an appropriate punishment on scumbags who achieve that extreme level of evil. The most that we are allowed to do is to put such to death in as “humane” a manner as possible.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, the gov't in Saudi Arabia is not being nice to its population like those of Cuba and China are. ;)
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Yeah, the difference being we don't pretend that Cuba or China are our allies, nor do we have thousands of American troops protecting them.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
The most fitting punishment for the crimes involved would have had to involve making him suffer pain and terror comparable to what he made his victim suffer, before killing him.

Alas, modern interpretations of the Eighth Amendment prohibit us from imposing an appropriate punishment on scumbags who achieve that extreme level of evil. The most that we are allowed to do is to put such to death in as “humane” a manner as possible.
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Why then use waterboarding on others?
 
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Amadeus said:
Read the Bible. If you follow it precisely, you stone children for talking back to their parents. That's being ultra-orthodox, and is not the mainstream view of the religion.

You don't seriously think that Saudi Arabia represents moderate Islam. You've chosen an extreme example to suit your anti-Islam bias.
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Old Testament does not apply to Christians.
 
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It's Two Weeks Into 2015, and One of the U.S.'s Closest Allies Has Beheaded 10 People

It's now February of 2015 and Russian ally Bashar Assad has murdered untold thousands of Syrian citizens with weapons supplied by Moscow.
 
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