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Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone

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Top Obama administration and Pentagon officials signaled a willingness to temporarily accept China's new, controversial air defense identification zone on Wednesday. Those officials expressed disapproval for the way in which the Asian power has flexed its muscles, and cautioned China not to implement the zone. But they also carved out wiggle room in which the United States and China ultimately could find common ground on the issue, indicating that they may be willing to live with the zone for now -- as long as China backs off its demand that all aircraft traveling through it check in first.

"It wasn't the declaration of the ADIZ that actually was destabilizing," said Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, America's highest-ranking military officer. "It was their assertion that they would cause all aircraft entering the ADIZ to report regardless of whether they were intending to enter into the sovereign airspace of China. And that is destabilizing."

That's a change from just a few days ago, when U.S. Vice President Joe Biden demanded that China take back its declaration of the zone. And it's another demonstration that China's recent decisions have forced the United States to tread carefully. On Wednesday, Biden met with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Beijing for more than five hours, according to a senior administration official. In brief public remarks midway through the marathon session, Biden didn't mention the air defense zone at all.

Japan, a vital American ally, has expressed fury over the Chinese move and ordered its commercial airliners not to provide information about their flight paths to the Chinese military. By contrast, the United States made a point of flying a pair of B-52s through it last week [[LINK]], but seems to have accepted that China will keep the zone in place indefinitely. U.S. officials have shifted their focus instead on preventing a potential military clash between Japan and China.

In meetings in Beijing on Wednesday, Biden laid out the U.S. position in detail, reiterating that the United States does not recognize the new zone and has deep concerns about it, a senior administration official said. Biden told Xi that the United States wants China to take steps to lower tensions in the region, avoid enforcement actions that could lead to crisis, and to establish communication with Japan and other countries in the region to avoid altercations, the administration official added. Privately, Biden did not call for the air defense identification zone it to be rolled back -- something administration officials had done Monday while Biden was visiting Japan. Instead, the vice president asked the Chinese leader to be careful about how his country operated the zone going forward.

"He indicated to Xi that we are looking to China to take steps as we move forward to lower tensions, to avoid enforcement actions that could lead to crisis, and to establish channels of communication with Japan, but also with their other neighbors to avoid the risk of mistake, miscalculation, accident or escalation," the official told reporters in Beijing.

Marie Harf, a State Department spokeswoman, said Wednesday that the United States does not recognize the zone and China "should not implement it." Administration officials said Biden's message reflects the White House's growing concerns that China's establishment of the air defense identification zone risks sparking a regional crisis. In the long term, the officials said, the United States wants China to eliminate the air defense entirely. With China already patrolling the zone with fighter jets, the officials said the White House was focused on preventing the growing tensions between Japan and China from getting worse. That includes temporary measures like pushing the two countries to establish a hotline designed to ensure that a miscommunication doesn't lead a clash between the two countries.

At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, took a measured approach. They said the major issue isn't the creation of the zone itself, but the way China has handled it and the country's demand that aircraft entering the zone share their flight plans.

"It's not that the ADIZ itself is new or unique," Hagel said. "Our biggest concern is how it was done so unilaterally and so immediately without any consultation, or international consultation. That's not a wise course of action to take for any country."

Dempsey expanded on that, saying that the ADIZ the Chinese established isn't their sovereign airspace, but international airspace adjacent to it. The international norm for such an area, Dempsey said, is for aircraft to check in with the country declaring an ADIZ only if it intends to enter sovereign airspace afterward. Many other countries, including the United States, also have ADIZ areas established.

The remarks open the possibility that if China backs off its demand that all aircraft in the ADIZ share their flight plans, the United States could lighten up on China establishing a zone. That's unlikely to please Japan, however.

Hagel indirectly addressed that Wednesday. Despite calling China's rollout of the air-defense zone unwise, he also stressed the United States' growing relationship with the Chinese military. He advocated for the preservation of security and free shipping lanes for all players in the region, and sent a message to other U.S. allies in the region -- including Japan.

"It's important for China, Japan, South Korea, all the nations in this area to stay calm and responsible," he said. "These are combustible issues."

Team Obama Changes Course, Appears to Accept China Air Defense Zone | Killer Apps



So China has correctly read Obama as a chump. It appears like Obama wants to appease.
 
It sounds as if Obama may be heading toward leaving Japan out to dry just as he did with Israel and Poland. It would be nice to have some friends somewhere in the world.
 
Korea and Taiwan as well. Its almost like Obama believes in Peace through weakness.

Yeah, perhaps another instance of 'leading from behind'?

No wonder 1/2 the world is laughing at him / US / us, and the other 1/2 doesn't trust him / US / us.
 
There's nothing in the article to support the claim made by the topic title. None of the quotes or information suggest that the US is accepting this new ADIZ from China.

Are we reading the same text?
 
There's nothing in the article to support the claim made by the topic title. None of the quotes or information suggest that the US is accepting this new ADIZ from China.

Are we reading the same text?

Our military leaders are real tigers. grrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
Our military leaders are real tigers. grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Our military leaders don't make foreign policy, I don't see what they have to do with this. Anyway, what do you believe the US should be doing in regards to this that they aren't doing?
 
Thats right, we are the worlds superpower, and we exert influence. China does as well, they just dont have a chump for president.

I didn't realize exerting influence was a mandatory trait of world superpowers. Maybe we should set the example.
 
Our military leaders don't make foreign policy, I don't see what they have to do with this. Anyway, what do you believe the US should be doing in regards to this that they aren't doing?

The exact opposite of what he's done. Speak clearly and firmly that this wont be tolerated. Make it clear we support our allies and will provide them with all needed aid to maintain this region, as it has been until China decided to flex.

And then firmly do just that.
 
The exact opposite of what he's done. Speak clearly and firmly that this wont be tolerated. Make it clear we support our allies and will provide them with all needed aid to maintain this region, as it has been until China decided to flex.

And then firmly do just that.


Speak clearly and firmly that this wont be tolerated.
Statement on the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone

Make it clear we support our allies and will provide them with all needed aid to maintain this region, as it has been until China decided to flex.


China gives no ground to Biden in air zone dispute

US, Japan Korea Defy New China Air Defense Zone, Biden To Rebuke Beijing; PRC Move Drives Korea, Japan Together « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/26/pers-n26.html

US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel declared that the Chinese announcement “will not in any way change how the United States conducts military operations in the region.” He also reiterated the Obama administration’s official stance that the US would automatically support Japan in the event of a war with China over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands.

There you go.
 

Not quite. It should be noted that civilian airlines have been forced to comply, and that some nations are rightfully (under Obama) worried about just what China will do-ESPECIALLY Taiwan.

Did you learn about them in the academy? Or did you come in with a civ degree? I know and have worked with Taiwanese men in matters of life and death, and I respect them highly. Why are they afraid these days, as they have been for some time?

I know you can't answer-but do you really believe Obama is a real leader? Have you known a real leader?
 
Not quite. It should be noted that civilian airlines have been forced to comply, and that some nations are rightfully (under Obama) worried about just what China will do-ESPECIALLY Taiwan.

Did you learn about them in the academy? Or did you come in with a civ degree? I know and have worked with Taiwanese men in matters of life and death, and I respect them highly. Why are they afraid these days, as they have been for some time?

I know you can't answer-but do you really believe Obama is a real leader? Have you known a real leader?

I didn't go to the academy but I studied intelligence and international relations at a private college, I studied abroad in China for 5 months, East Asia was my area of focus in college, I did a tour in Korea for one year and I speak fairly decent Mandarin Chinese that I've continued to study since leaving college and joining the Army.


So I know a thing or two about the region, for example I know that Obama has not forced US airlines to comply with China's rules but merely to comply with them. That in my opinion is a smart move because A) We don't want a plane full of Americans being shot down and B) we don't want a civilian plane accidently escalating the situation. If we want to raise the heat on the Chinese we want to be in control of it, like when we flew some B-52s in the ADIZ without telling the Chinese, we had control of that situation and so its safer and does not risk civilian lives as an airline would.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/30/w...jets-for-first-time-in-new-air-zone.html?_r=0

China scrambles jets after US, Japan enter air zone: Xinhua
Note: Yahoo took this story from an offical Chinese government newspaper, the scrambled fighters may not have actually existed.

As for Taiwan in my opinion Taiwan has the least to fear from China than either South Korea or Japan in regards to this situation. I'm of course aware that China claims Taiwan as its own but I feel that given the recent decade of warming relations, economic ties, and now even direct flights to and from the mainland that China is seeking a more peaceful integration with Taiwan, one that would not destroy its value as a war would and one that would not invoke the US defense treaty.

Here's Hagal saying the US-Japan Defense treaty covers the islands that Japan claims but which China claims as well and the ADIZ covers.

WASHINGTON: Hagel: U.S.-Japan mutual defense treaty covers islands China also claims - World Wires - MiamiHerald.com

So again, what else do you exactly want Obama to do about this? Start shooting?
 
It's not our business. If the world wants an army, it needs to build and fund one.
 
Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters
Landing ship sailed dangerously close to U.S. guided missile cruiser

BY: Bill Gertz
December 13, 2013 5:00 am

A Chinese naval vessel tried to force a U.S. guided missile warship to stop in international waters recently, causing a tense military standoff in the latest case of Chinese maritime harassment, according to defense officials.

The guided missile cruiser USS Cowpens, which recently took part in disaster relief operations in the Philippines, was confronted by Chinese warships in the South China Sea near Beijing’s new aircraft carrier Liaoning, according to officials familiar with the incident. “On December 5th, while lawfully operating in international waters in the South China Sea, USS Cowpens and a PLA Navy vessel had an encounter that required maneuvering to avoid a collision,” a Navy official said.
Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters | Washington Free Beacon


So, China tried to punk us again, the day after I posted this thread, this time in international waters. China knows that the US wont do anything/
 
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