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Racist Crowd boos L.A. police chief

Hang on, are you seriously claiming that blaming a cop, and defending a criminal = racist in of itself?

Are you perverting the definition of racist like I think you are?

Why do you think they are protesting the shooting?
 
Maybe it's because they think the cops shot an unarmed man. That would seem to be the most obvious answer.

I love the police. I've worked with them professionally for years. But they sometimes make mistakes.

A police officer accidentally shot a guy I went to college with in his own apartment in Kansas City back in the early 90s. He wasn't doing anything but sleeping. I knew him for four years, he was one of the nicest guys in the world.
 
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We tend to have a love/hate relationship with LAPD. They're a good police force, but certain jerks tend to spoil people's perceptions.

I'd say about 95% of LAPD are good cops trying to do their jobs well. 1% are just trying to get their 20 and get out, 1% are power-tripping, and 3% have genuine attitude problems.
 
It amuses me when scumbag sympathizers think cops should not use lethal force to stop violent criminals and suspects.


There are times when deadly force is not warranted, like when the old homeless lady defended her stolen shopping cart from a couple of marauding bicycle cops. While the screwdriver she used could have been lethal, the reality was that she was an old lady and the young police officers should have been trained to disarm her without killing her.

However, crazy drunk people threatening anyone with a bloody knife should expect to be shot by the first sane person with a gun. The police did no wrong in this instance.

However, I will say the police lost a golden opportunity to use their police station as bait. All they had to do is block off the streets behind the angry "immigrant" mob and arrested all sorts of illegal alien invaders and other disruptors of the peace.
 
We tend to have a love/hate relationship with LAPD. They're a good police force, but certain jerks tend to spoil people's perceptions.

I'd say about 95% of LAPD are good cops trying to do their jobs well. 1% are just trying to get their 20 and get out, 1% are power-tripping, and 3% have genuine attitude problems.

Which of the cops defending the public from a crazed drunk with the knife were "jerks"?
 
a knife is very high risk. I have some photos I could show you of what one guy can do to a cops with a knife...after he had been tasered and pepper sprayed.

if you attack a cop with a knife, expect to get your stupid ass shot.

BOX CUTTERS, knives with blades less than 1/2 inch long, were used to kill thousands of Americans.
 
However, I will say the police lost a golden opportunity to use their police station as bait. All they had to do is block off the streets behind the angry "immigrant" mob and arrested all sorts of illegal alien invaders and other disruptors of the peace.

That I agree with one hundred and ten percent. But they won't do that as long as we are a "sanctuary" city.
 
It amuses me when scumbag sympathizers think cops should not use lethal force to stop violent criminals and suspects.

We don't care that you are amused. That is why we have investigations, and cops are not judge and jury.

Cops have been known to abuse their power. It's not that they should not use lethal force to stop violent criminals, but sometimes they go beyond the call of duty. And suspects? You don't shoot at a "suspect" - it may turn out the person is totally innocent.

Only people that are hate-filled settle everything with violence and don't care if innocents are taken down.
 
We don't care that you are amused. That is why we have investigations, and cops are not judge and jury.

And second guessing the cops in the media, siding with a mindless herd of illegal aliens, is not the proper thing to do.

Cops have been known to abuse their power. It's not that they should not use lethal force to stop violent criminals, but sometimes they go beyond the call of duty. And suspects? You don't shoot at a "suspect" - it may turn out the person is totally innocent.

The man attacking the police with a knife isn't a suspect, he's a threat. Shooting the occasional "suspect" in the line of duty is why cops have guns.

The cops in question did not have non-lethal alternatives at hand to deal with the emergent crisis, they did what they had to do, and the person making the mistake is dead, saving us thousands of dollars of prison time and deportation costs.

Only people that are hate-filled settle everything with violence and don't care if innocents are taken down.

What an absurd position to take.

"Only" "hate-filled" people deal with "Everything" with violence?

Perhaps you're referring to the drunk invader attacking the blue-suits with his little knife?

Are you assuming without basis that the cops that were forced to shoot him don't care about innocents?

Are you assuming the crazed knife-wielding invader was innocent? Perhaps he was merely stretching before engaging in a set of vigorous calisthenics while trimming his nose hairs?

The drunken invader was not innocent, he was committing a crime.

Those are the two facts you'll have to deal with.
 
I only wish ICE was there checking immigration status for illegal mexicans. What a bunch of F-ing RACISTS! America needs to do something VERY VERY soon or this **** is going to get out of hand. Send this punta terrorist / invaders back to mexico!!!

Jae C. Hong / AP
A man yells as he listens to Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck during a community meeting Wednesday night in Los Angeles.

LOS ANGELES — An angry crowd greeted Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck with boos, whistles and chants of "Justicia!" Wednesday night at a community meeting intended to calm residents after police fatally shot a man they said brandished a knife.
A crowd of more than 300 packed a school in the Westlake neighborhood where an officer shot Manuel Jamines, 37, to death Sunday after he allegedly lunged toward the officer with a switchblade.
The crowd jeered Beck when he defended officers by reading a witness's account of how Jamines threatened her.

Beck said the witness, a neighborhood resident who was not named, told three bicycle officers that a man with blood on his hands tried to stab her and a pregnant woman next to her.
As the woman ran away, she heard the three officers telling the suspect to drop the knife, then she heard three or four shots, turned around and saw Jamines on the sidewalk, Beck said.
"She referred to the officers as her angels who had descended from heaven to save her life and that of the pregnant lady," Beck said.
The crowd exploded when they heard the witness's account. One man in the audience called out that the story sounded like it was made up in Hollywood.
CONTINUED [/SIZE]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39068223/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Apparently the OP didn't research his story well, it turns out the man isn't even from Mexico, but Guatemala. Guatemala isn't in Mexico.

It never fails, conservatives immediately take the side of the cops in an altercation that involves Hispanics, whether they be legal or not. Conservatives have spewed their venom and called Liberals all kinds of names for merely asking questions to try and clarify the whole scenario. Cons are not interested in the facts, they've made up their minds. As usual, they act before they know all the facts.

They have made their minds up and decided that this is a closed case. The guy was guilty, because one witness claimed that he was wielding a knife, and of course they believe the witness. And anyone that doesn't believe that one witness is, of course, a scumbag.

Did it ever occur to some that the witness might have been lying? Of course an investigation will have to be done and hopefully we will find out the real truth. But, undoubtedly, those who have issued proclamations of guilt on the man that was killed will find something else to fault him with, in order to save their face.

FYI, there is another witness, and this witness claims the man was unarmed.


Witness says man killed by LAPD in Westlake was unarmed

A Westlake resident who said she witnessed the fatal shooting of a Guatemalan day laborer by a Los Angeles police officer said Thursday that she saw no knife in the man's hands, contradicting the Police Department's account.

Witness says man killed by LAPD in Westlake was unarmed
 
And second guessing the cops in the media, siding with a mindless herd of illegal aliens, is not the proper thing to do.
It is not known that those in the crowd were illegals. You should try being nondiscriminatory and present the facts available without displaying the typical conservative hate-filled attitude toward those that look Hispanic. I know that is hard for conservatives to do.

The man attacking the police with a knife isn't a suspect, he's a threat. Shooting the occasional "suspect" in the line of duty is why cops have guns.

We only have the story in its early stages. Once an investigation is done and the truth is ironed out, if that is the case then you would have every right to say whatever you want. But right now, all you have is what the cops are saying and what one witness is saying. There is another witness that claims the man was unarmed. Siding with the cops, knowing that we have had many stories where cops have abused their power is not the proper thing to do, either.

Story of police shooting unarmed man

Story where cops kill an old lady by mistake

Police kill a 17 year old by mistake

The cops in question did not have non-lethal alternatives at hand to deal with the emergent crisis, they did what they had to do, and the person making the mistake is dead, saving us thousands of dollars of prison time and deportation costs.
Again, you are taking the story at face value. Furthermore, some conservatives on this thread have accused Liberals of being scumbags, just because we are not as quick to judge as conservatives. I guess if the story turns the other way, none of the cons will consider themselves scumbags, for having believed a story that turned out to be false.



What an absurd position to take.

"Only" "hate-filled" people deal with "Everything" with violence?
It is hate-filled, because the fact that he was Hispanic should have nothing to do with the ranting that is going on. Crap like that happens on a daily basis, but the OP is trying to illicit more hate toward Hispanics, calling them illegal when he does not have any proof that they were.

Perhaps you're referring to the drunk invader attacking the blue-suits with his little knife?
And if it turns out that the witness who claims he was unarmed is telling the truth, then what are you going to say?

Are you assuming without basis that the cops that were forced to shoot him don't care about innocents?
Do you have trouble reading? Where did I say that. I'm saying that we can't jump to conclusions until we have the full story. We don't know for sure that the man was actually attacking the cops. I don't believe everything a cop says just because they are cops, like I posted above, they have been known to make mistakes.

Are you assuming the crazed knife-wielding invader was innocent? Perhaps he was merely stretching before engaging in a set of vigorous calisthenics while trimming his nose hairs?
Again, where did I say that? Not only do you have trouble reading, you are putting words in my mouth. You have no proof that th story as reported is the final version.

The drunken invader was not innocent, he was committing a crime.
If that is the case, then so be it. But the op has no reason to call all the people that were protesting it as illegals and suggesting they all be sent to Mexico, especially since the man wasn't even from Mexico. That just implies ignorance.

Those are the two facts you'll have to deal with.
And you will have to deal with your racial bias, along with the fact that it may turn out that he was unarmed and the police acted in haste. If you were one of the ones issuing insults toward people that you don't even know are not American citizens, then you also have to deal with your hate-filled attitude.
 
Apparently the OP didn't research his story well, it turns out the man isn't even from Mexico, but Guatemala. Guatemala isn't in Mexico.

It never fails, conservatives immediately take the side of the cops in an altercation that involves Hispanics,

Yes.

Only conservatives are guilty of stereotyping. Everyone else automatically assumes the cops are trigger happy bastards willing to risk destroying their lives and their careers for the chance of playing Tackleberry for real.

whether they be legal or not. Conservatives have spewed their venom and called Liberals all kinds of names for merely asking questions to try and clarify the whole scenario.

The scenario was pretty clear. Drunken invader brings a knife to what became a gun fight.

Cons are not interested in the facts, they've made up their minds. As usual, they act before they know all the facts.

I haven't acted.

I'm waiting for the evidence to proves the cops are guilty before automatically assuming the criminal in the matter was innocent.

Is there some reason besides inherent racism you're siding with a proven criminal who then assualted the police?
 
It is not known that those in the crowd were illegals.

I guess maybe when a crazed mob assaults the police over a guatemalan illegal doing day-labor from Home Depot that they're illegal invader alien criminls, yes. The best way to answer that question is to arrest those involved in the riot and proving it. Given that the area in question is an infested area of a moronic and illegal "sanctuary city", and that I happen to live in Los Angeles, I might have a better idea of what those criminals were guilty of than you do.

You should try being nondiscriminatory and present the facts available

I am non-discriminatory.

The facts available are that an criminal illegal alien invader broke additional laws against public intoxication and then broke more laws about assaulting the police with a deadly weapon and furthermore broke laws by failing to comply with a lawful order to desist, and thereby got himself lawfully shot dead.

The other facts are that only a fool is going to claim that there weren't criminal illegal aliens in the mobs that have been wasting hard earned taxpayer funded food stamps by throwing eggs at the cops.

Those are the facts.

Since I"m pretty certain the cops have the assailant's knife in evidence, the testimony of a puta to the contrary doesn't mean much. After all, she couldn't possibly have an agenda, could she?
 
And a final thought:

If the illegal alien criminal invader had stayed in Guatemala, he wouldn't have been in Los Angeles to get drunk and attack the cops and get himself shot.

It's all his fault, and no on else's.
 
And a final thought:

If the illegal alien criminal invader had stayed in Guatemala, he wouldn't have been in Los Angeles to get drunk and attack the cops and get himself shot.

It's all his fault, and no on else's.
I'm sorry, that's the dumbest rationalization I have ever heard.

It's his fault if the cops got trigger happy? This is the same logic as saying rape is entirely the victim's fault because they were at the location of the crime when they were.

Dumb, really dumb.
 
I'm sorry, that's the dumbest rationalization I have ever heard.

It's his fault if the cops got trigger happy? This is the same logic as saying rape is entirely the victim's fault because they were at the location of the crime when they were.

Dumb, really dumb.

The cops didn't get trigger happy. That's your prejudices talking.

The cops, as far as is currently know, complied with departmental procedures regarding their use of deadly force in self-defense.

And, was anything important broken when they defended themselves? The taxpayers paid a lot of money training them, you know.
 
The cops didn't get trigger happy. That's your prejudices talking.

The cops, as far as is currently know, complied with departmental procedures regarding their use of deadly force in self-defense.

And, was anything important broken when they defended themselves? The taxpayers paid a lot of money training them, you know.
I'm speaking strictly your warped logic. I'm not familiar with the incident and as such cant comment on it.
 
You've failed to demonstrate any failure in my logic.

The cops were attacked.

The cops killed the attacker.

The word to describe this event is "routine".

The only thing that makes this event newsworthy is the crazed mob of illegal aliens pelting the cops with eggs for two days.
 
You've failed to demonstrate any failure in my logic.

The cops were attacked.

The cops killed the attacker.

The word to describe this event is "routine".

The only thing that makes this event newsworthy is the crazed mob of illegal aliens pelting the cops with eggs for two days.
No, you pinned the ENTIRE incident COMPLETELY on the person by linking them being undocumented as a reason for getting killed.

"If the illegal alien criminal invader had stayed in Guatemala, he wouldn't have been in Los Angeles to get drunk and attack the cops and get himself shot."

That is warped-ass logic and there is NO getting around that.
 
Right or wrong a needless death is always a tragedy.
Whatever the fellow was he is no more and never will be anything else but a statistic! Unless questions are asked his death is meaningless!

Sad fate that, be it for anyone!

If those doing the asking are doing it with subterfuge or hidden agendas, a pox on them, perhaps they will answer in time for their deeds! Mixed them in with the self righteous, victimized, desperate or people of harsh circumstances, then to paint all protest as racism is not morally defensible! Even if many are completely biased, prejudiced and woefully ignorant, others will be confident, having been subjected to circumstances where their trust is not as easily gained by what someone else says, no matter how truthful that someone maybe!

Skin colour has no jurisdiction on racism!

Life is a series of choices, in the end we are those choices.

Fault and blame are a finger pointing game that rarely has absolute truth as its heart! This is more a cause and effect, with those involved setting in motion a series of events that cumulated in death.

I recall the sad fate of a 12 year old that stole dad's car and drove it at 2:30 in the morning, shot a sling shot marble at someone's family home window where 8 drive by neighborhood shooting had recently occurred! Out comes a fed up parent, the kid panics after being told to keep his hands up, drops the hands perhaps to shift and drive away, the parent shoots the kid dead!

Son did not "deserve to die!" for breaking a window, deserve has got nothing to do with it! Kid set the jaws of fate in motion, could easily joy ride, get away, parked the car and sneak in! Dad might never know. Kid could grow up to be president!

Racism is often a condition of lifestyle, events that are at times beyond our control but we endure, at our choice of how to react. Rage at conditions and our personal circumstances is again a choice but integrity is the search for truth every day.

Accusations and recriminations are merely fodder for racism to display itself. I still like the concept of innocent until proven guilty be it for the suspect or the officers. No system is perfect and the attempt to be just, to do the right thing is not the same as the rule of law nor does it always clearly separate right from wrong.


Humans are not always dependable when it comes to critical moments! Yet we can choose to shine when our backs are to the wall!

No death of any sort could or should, at least in my humble opinion, be accepted as justified unless the facts as have been eluded to are crystal clear. As in any conspirers' theories many are willing to look beyond official explanations to see the unseen or think the unthinkable.

One could shoot a substance into another to make him look drunk or act weird and crazy glue a knife into his hand send him out to see if the cops will take him out.

Suspect could be unfortunate to panic, perhaps have an arresting officer a wee bit too nervous, he could trip or fall, he could have deliberately tried to commit suicide or simply had a booze filled rage, wanted to lash out at a bad time and the arresting officers chose to react as they did.

The officers could be following procedure to the letter or they could be corrupt and the guy was witness to something he should not have been! Witnesses have been known to perjure themselves or simply be wrong or the witnesses were credible and at risk as indicated!

Whether one chooses to belive reported news events as completely factual or with grains of salt in liberal portions. We live in a society where one can express concerns however outlandish or foolish, However, correct or just! The right to have those concerns has been brought at the expense of many deaths in many countries!

No fence sitters here on these boards! But gut reaction is not a guaranteed good action only a questioning one!

Good people as well as bad people will rage against death even if for different reasons! Separating fact and fiction as to the why people choose to do what they do is not always discernable especially without face to face discord and an airing of the evidence and views. Posting anonomously we are whistling in the dark against the wind. It mostly echoes in our own minds The difference in good reporting is those who hunt the facts connect the dots then tell the story those who gossip give us a story then ask us to connect the dots:peace.
 
No, you pinned the ENTIRE incident COMPLETELY on the person by linking them being undocumented as a reason for getting killed.

No.

I made it perfectly plain the criminal illegal alien invader was shot because he attacked people who had guns and weren't afraid to use them.

There's no other reason the maggot was shot.

"If the illegal alien criminal invader had stayed in Guatemala, he wouldn't have been in Los Angeles to get drunk and attack the cops and get himself shot."

No, that's saying if the dumb **** criminal had obeyed the laws against invading the United States, he wouldn't have been in front of the cop's bullet.



That is warped-ass logic and there is NO getting around that.[/QUOTE]
 
I worked my way through college doing drywall. you can do a lot of damage with a "putty knife" so harping on the fact that the guy was only carrying a putty knife is a bull**** arguement. damn near any solid object can be used as a deadly weapon given the motivation to do so.

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How DARE YOU!!! My friend was spackled to a art project and nearly died!
 
Right or wrong a needless death is always a tragedy.
Whatever the fellow was he is no more and never will be anything else but a statistic! Unless questions are asked his death is meaningless!

Yes, of course.

Why was he in the country illegally?
Why is Los Angeles being allowed to flagrantly violate federal law and welcome illegal invaders into it's bossom?
Why did he get drunk?
Why did he decide to use that knife to attack men with guns?
Why would anyone care about him?

Lots of questions to ask.

Sad fate that, be it for anyone!

No, he made his choice. The price for stupidity is often death.

No death of any sort could or should, at least in my humble opinion, be accepted as justified unless the facts as have been eluded to are crystal clear. As in any conspirers' theories many are willing to look beyond official explanations to see the unseen or think the unthinkable.

The word is "alluded".

And there's no reason to presume the cops are lying. They usually don't.

One could shoot a substance into another to make him look drunk or act weird and crazy glue a knife into his hand send him out to see if the cops will take him out.

Both ridiculous and quite irrelevant.

Suspect could be unfortunate to panic,

Too bad. I guess in certain circumstance the second chance never gets rolling.

perhaps have an arresting officer a wee bit too nervous,

Looks like the officers followed procedure. Given that he was being attacked with a knife, he didn't have much time to do anything else but shoot.

Enough of that crap.

Quit making excuses for the criminal. If the guy was white, you'd be dead silent on the matter.
 
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