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"But it's not hard to immigrate!"

middleagedgamer said:
What Hoplite is saying is that we shouldn't just reserve legal immigration for the "elite" of the world.

When we think "illegal immigration," we think people who, otherwise, would get a work visa, right?

Well, a work visa in the US requires a bachelor's degree in a high demand area, AND it requires a formal job offer form an employer who is willing to sponsor you!

Why don't you:

1. Streamline the immigration system, per the problems pointed out in this thread's namesake article, and
2. Give a visa for independent contrators who have little to no start-up money.

And, then see how many Hispanics will try and respect the immigration system.

When the number of illegal immigrations drops from 11 million to about 100,000, you will have no choice but to say that the immigration system is the problem, not the immigrants.
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The United States has accepted countless immigrants from worn torn countries and other hot spots and they are not all elites. Accepting mainly immigrants who have some job skills and a chance to integrate into society is just smart policy. Accepting immigrants who really want to be to become citizens and not just take advantage of opportunities is also a good policy. When the number of immigrants drop from 11 million to 100,000 I will say good going folks. It won't make up for the severe lack of enforcement of immigration laws over many years but it would be a start.
 
jambalaya said:
The United States has accepted countless immigrants from worn torn countries and other hot spots and they are not all elites.
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Not in recent years, no they haven't.

Accepting mainly immigrants who have some job skills and a chance to integrate into society is just smart policy.
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But, you're rejecting people who have the potential to become highly skilled, but were held down in their home country by The Man.

Accepting immigrants who really want to be to become citizens and not just take advantage of opportunities is also a good policy.
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Good policy?

GOOD POLICY?

The United States is the LAND OF F*CKING OPPORTUNITY!

You completely contradict the American Dream:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

The whole point of America is that we take those who weren't afforded the opportunities that they deserved, and we give them those opportunities, here!

What the hell is wrong with you?
 
middleagedgamer said:
You completely contradict the American Dream:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

The whole point of America is that we take those who weren't afforded the opportunities that they deserved, and we give them those opportunities, here!

What the hell is wrong with you?
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That's a sign on a statue, that is not and has never been American immigration policy.

Why in the world I have to explain that to you, I'll never know.
 
Cephus said:
That's a sign on a statue, that is not and has never been American immigration policy.

Why in the world I have to explain that to you, I'll never know.
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Neither is the following part of the bill of rights:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are bestowed upon by their creator with certain inalianable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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You will find bits and pieces of it scattered throughout the Constitution, but that, itself, is not in our Bill of Rights.

And, yet, everybody - blacks, women, gays - they all point to that quote. It's the American Creed!

That poem may not be in the immigration policy, but it IS the creed by which America had originally stood for in international law!

And, to want to change that viewpoint, now, simply because YOU got what YOU wanted (citizenship) is simply nothing more or less than biting the hand that feeds you.
 
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