Bodhisattva

I understand that this is a perception about reality, but that doesn't make it reality. We allow this de-evolving nature to occur.

Americans used to work at these jobs at fair value until the jobs value was lessened by ILLEGALS undercutting the value.

That was the point of the 60 Minutes expose. Some small town in Nebraska had a plant that employed workers in the 80's for something like $20.00 an hour and now, in 2000, the same job doing the same thing is making $12.00 an hour. 20 years later and the job is paying almost half. Interesting.

The truly interesting part was that the town had almost no Mexican Immigrants, and no ILLEGALS. Now, the town is almost 80% Mexican and who knows how many ILLEGALS, but the number was high. Most of the original townspeople moved away since the company devalued their jobs and gave them to Immigrans legal and illegal at a lesser value.

That is the reality and it has nothing to do with Globalisation

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Kali

Again it is total bull**** because I know plenty of people that cannot find work that would gladly take some of these jobs and I also know that some illegals have a fine skill of milking our system for every single dime they can get and then they all wanna save, save and save in hopes of moving back to their homeland one day.

People who say that Illegals keep prices low piss me off because the hell with that they are taking our jobs, they are milking our system and they are criminals!

I find it so strange that so many people are willing to overlook these criminals and are in favor of them but are harsh on legal folks that are sitting locked up in a jail cell! You cannot have it both ways: you either support crime or you do not and if you do not feel we should try to get illlegals out of out country? Then you should also not be opposed to letting out everybody that is locked up in our penal system and letting em back on the streets. After all it would free up space in our prisons and save us tax dollars!

Do not get me wrong because I am not talking about legal immigrants but the illegal ones and yes I do understand why they come here in hopes of a better life I just think they should have to follow legal means to get here because I cannot break the law and get a free pass so why they hell should they...

Bodhisattva

Who are you talking to? Because unless you quote the person, it is assumed that you are talking to the poster just prior to your post, but it does not seem like you are addressing me... os, to whom are you talking to?

Awesome!

I'm not sure about that. Maybe there were other factors that put pressure on the company to reduce their labor costs, like government regulations etc. But what reality are we talking about here? Is the reality that we can't succeed in america anymore because illegals are taking all of our jobs away? More jobs have left to China because of globalization than illegals taking jobs here unless you want to flip burgers, pick fruit, or landscape?

Awesome!

Can't find work? Are you serious? Do they live in America? I don't believe that for one minute. They won't work for the wages. It's not that they can't find work. I worked three jobs at one time in my life and went to school eventually to better myself, but work ethic was a huge part of my success, something that I find lacking at least where I live except for immigrants. They bust their a@@ and make something for themselves even if it means working minimum wage and collecting cans, cardboard, driving a 1989 astro van, or oldsmobile and then going to school in their part-time.

Bodhisattva

There are always "other factors" at play, aren't there?

Still, reducing the wage can be seen three ways, a company in danger of failing or a company doing anything to reduce overhead, or both.

Of course America can succeed. Even with the deck stacked against it. But that does not mean that the USA has to bend over for ILLEGALS or for Corporate America trying to make a buck. What is best for the economy is stable wages and competitive industries. A strong middle class is better than a weak slave labor pool. Just how I see it.

More jobs have left to China and Indonesia due to slave labor job pools and oppressive governments that US companies like instead of dealing with US labor unions and such. I am not sure what your political stance is or what you are trying to say, but I hope that we can be realistic here.

Awesome!

O.k. well maybe not. Maybe the only factor was the company trying to increase profits with legal or illegal immigrant labor, and that is wrong, but the notion that the deck is stacked against Americans is wrong and buying into the pandering left's b.s. about a weakening middle class is wrong in my opinion. Think positive because in America you can still do whatever you want to do, but due to globalization you have to be prepared, that's all.

The unions are spoiled and they are a huge problem. Outsourcing jobs actually leads to a lot of jobs here in other industries and leads to more research and development to create new industries. The union isn't going to do that.

I'm a republican and I feel that we are just becoming soft and need to look at the immigrants as a model because that drive and motivation is what made America great and disagree that they are taking away all of our jobs.

Bodhisattva

I hear what you are saying and I agree. Americans are buying into the idea that immigrants are taking jobs and that outsourcing is only negative (thank Michael Moore for that trend) and that the USA has tremendous opportunity for those taht are willing to work hard and be creative.

I think that it is the Corporations that are hurting America. It is their tactics and schemes that are eroding choices and taking advantage of immigrants, mainly illiegal ones.

we are becoming soft, and the PC mentality of today is a perfect example of pandering to the whiney few. Unions are a problem, but they are also a solution to greater problems, the issue is balance. That and dealing with Special Interest Groups that pander to the Special Interestes instead of the General Interests of America.

Much to ponder.

Awesome!

That's right much to ponder as well as much to do. The left would have us believe we can't get out of bed without their parasitical solutions. We need Obama the messiah to come and save us: yadayada Geez...

americanwoman

That's very true. Americans can get the job, but don't want it because it won't pay for the Escalade they have to have, parked outside the big house while they dress only in name brand clothes. Immigrants who come from a one room shack with 2 families don't mind taking a low paying job because even having a normal size house with a car is a major step for them.


Not really. Most send some of their money back to their families that still live in their homeland to either keep them alive or so the family members can save up and move to America. Plus the second generation, the children that are raised here, are almost foreign to their parent's homeland and would never even dream of moving back there and get an education here and better paying jobs than their parents. Not one immigrant I know, legal or illegal, save their money to move back to their homeland.