jfuh

Walking no, but they can quite literally swim across - it's not exactly rocket science to sneak in for them should they want to.

True they have very little illegal immigration France's problem is with France themself and requirements for immigration and their general bias and bigotry towards immigrants not being "french" enough.
Muslims there simply want to live as they please in a free fashion - French policies however are a bit further when it comes to integration - ie Islam is not french. That is their predicament though.

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jfuh

It's illegal - period. Why should anyone be able to short cut the legal method of immigration simply because their proximity is close by - I pay car insurance why don't you? Can't pay for liability that's your problem not mine.
I'm not responsible for your medical bill nor am I for your kids education - you want to have those benefits than pay your tax dollars just like I do.
If you fulfill all the above - welcome to America.

I'm simply pointing out to you of the employer's incentives.

Rogue

Ok then. That gives you some credibility in my eyes.

Scucca

The only interesting comparison between France and the US for this thread is their similarity in the social immobility stakes. Thus, Corak (2004, Do poor children become poor adults?, Lessons for public policy from a cross country comparison of generational earnings mobility) notes:

"The United Kingdom, the United States, and to a slightly lesser extent France, are the least mobile countries with 40 to 50% of the earnings advantage high income young adults have over their low income counterparts being associated with the fact that they were the children of higher earning parents."

These countries do have differences in the nature of their immigration stock. Not surprisingly, we therefore have to focus on other economic issues. You're flogging a dead horse

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Awesome!

Well I wouldn't disagree with that as there probably are more opportunities for people to get educations and succeed in European countries if they choose to get educated. What I am frustrated with is this attitude that you can't make something of yourself in America which I was comparing to third world countries, and if we just had the same motivation as illegals or legal immigrants we wouldn't need to have a pandering government with all of their programs, or be apt to blame the government because we would be too busy making something happen for ourselves.

It's really not that bad and not really that difficult to embrace a view that if you work hard you will be successful, or maybe I am just old school?

Curious though the difference we pay in taxes versus in Europe though? I'm assuming that in order to have the stability like you have in Europe, you have to forfeit a lot of your money to the government, no?

Awesome!

I agree it's a major problem, but blaming them is not the answer as they just want to provide for their families. If they went away tomorrow are you saying that you won't have any competition in the job market? Agree about the hospitals and prison, etc. A major drain on our system.

Voidwar

So does any criminal.

Scucca

There certainly are significant differences in the design of tax and benefit systems (but also between European countries). The standard hypothesis is that European countries have lower poverty (due to benefit assistance) but then have lower mobility (due to the disincentive effect of higher taxation). The evidence doesn't support it though.

Rogue

OK. Even though they are ruining the country, we won't blame them. But let's DO blame the scumbag employers of illegals who lure them into the US by hiring them, and then of course exploit them. So, since the blameless illegal Mexican scabs ARE ruining the country, we must pass the tough on the employers of illegals sanction laws to force the scumbag employers of illegals to stop hiring these illegals to make the illegals self deport. After all of the illegal Mexican scabs have self deported we should then give American workers a chance at all of those newly vacated jobs freed up by the self deporting illegals. Wages will, of course, have to increase to where Americans can live on them. After Americans have had a crack at all of these jobs, only then can we assess what our real guest worker needs are, if any.

DeeJayH

for the majority of them, i would say, from my personal exerience, in my personal opinion, a resounding YES

America has gotten soft

this post is in response to the OP, not the ****storm i apparently 'walked in on'

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