Do Immigrants Work Harder? - Page 12

Rogue · 06-16-08, 04:45 PM

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No, I'm able to comment on the government. I have many times in various threads stating that politicians won't deal with the problem directly because they couldn't survive politically. I just don't think that illegal immigration is taking away jobs or driving wages down as much as you state for the jobs that Americans want, and if you have one ounce of work ethic you can succeed in America. Are you saying you can't be successful in America? What job do you want so bad that illegals are taking? Did you have a union job picking oranges at $50.00 an hour? that they took?

You can blame legal immigrants, illegals, the government. It's a never ending mantra, blaming everyone else and a cryin' shame with all the opportunities here in America. Geez......

Oh my goodness. Can't we all get along? There's enough here for every ILLEGAL scab in the world isn't there? Geez.

Again, the only ones profiting from the so called cheap subsidized ILLEGAL Mexican scab labor are, of course, those scumbag employers of ILLEGALS. It's so lucrative employing ILLEGAL Mexican scabs that the employers of ILLEGALS are able to hire legions of activists to try to tell the American sheeple how wonderful to the "economy" hiring ILLEGAL Mexican scabs is.

I guess we shouldn't mention how the hordes of ILLEGAL Mexican scabs are flooding in and ruining the country. How they use ER rooms as their medical plan, how they fraudulenty acquire free social services, how they are overcrowding and ruining the quality of our education, record incarceration of criminal illegals. The cost to the American taxpayer of the illegal Mexican scabs could be as high as over 300 billion a year.

jfuh · 06-16-08, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Oh my goodness. Can't we all get along? There's enough here for every ILLEGAL scab in the world isn't there? Geez.

Again, the only ones profiting from the so called cheap subsidized ILLEGAL Mexican scab labor are, of course, those scumbag employers of ILLEGALS. It's so lucrative employing ILLEGAL Mexican scabs that the employers of ILLEGALS are able to hire legions of activists to try to tell the American sheeple how wonderful to the "economy" hiring ILLEGAL Mexican scabs is.

I guess we shouldn't mention how the hordes of ILLEGAL Mexican scabs are flooding in and ruining the country. How they use ER rooms as their medical plan, how they fraudulenty acquire free social services, how they are overcrowding and ruining the quality of our education, record incarceration of criminal illegals. The cost to the American taxpayer of the illegal Mexican scabs could be as high as over 300 billion a year.

To be fair, the employers are not the only ones, we the end consumer also benefit from it.

Scucca · 06-16-08, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

The cost to the American taxpayer of the illegal Mexican scabs could be as high as over 300 billion a year.

This is a jolly big claim. You forgot to provide a source! Care to correct the error so I can evaluate the reference?

Rogue · 06-16-08, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

No, you're looking for someone to whinge at. Unlike you, I've referred to the answer for illegal immigration problem: fair trade to narrow international wage differentials. You've simply failed to integrate economic reality into your argument.

Well, I'm not looking for someone to "whinge" at, whatever that means, I've actually found someone, that is of course, the ever scumbag employers of illegals and the illegal Mexican scabs themselves. Fair trade to narrow international wage differentials? Do you think that American workers are really interested and excited about seeing their wages drop?

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Absolute nonsense I'm afraid. Once you have allowed unfair trade relations, the only remaining way to target the economic gains from illegal immigration is to impose extensive punishments and initiate a far right regime. You up for that?

Unfair trade relations would be, of course, to let the scumbag employers of illegals to ILLEGALLY employ illegal Mexican scab labor, to the detriment of average working American citizens. What you're actually saying is that now that the corrupt fed gov, bribed by the scumbag employers of illegals, has let millions of illegal Mexican scabs flood into the US the only way to stop the scumbag employers of illegals from hiring the illegal Mexican scabs and thus to stop the illegal Mexican invasion, is to impose extensive punishments by a "far right regime"? Passing tough on the employers of illegals sanctions laws by the various states is not anything close to being "far right". It's simply a COMMON SENSE approach to taking our country backk.

Scucca · 06-16-08, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Fair trade to narrow international wage differentials? Do you think that American workers are really interested and excited about seeing their wages drop?

Wage reductions are only predicted if human capital is held constant. Fair trade, via the maximisation of trade, would increase income and therefore enable greater investments in human capital.

You sound like you're anti-fair trade. Economic nationalism would account for your failure to refer to the economic analysis into globalisation.

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Unfair trade relations would be, of course, to let the scumbag employers of illegals to ILLEGALLY employ illegal Mexican scab labor, to the detriment of average working American citizens.

A rather awkward comment, given the wage differentials have been harvested by unfair trade.

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Passing tough on the employers of illegals sanctions laws by the various states is not anything close to being "far right".

Given the economic incentives created by unfair trade, you'd need something akin to a police state to fight the problem. Anything less is just lip service

Rogue · 06-16-08, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

Supporting that view is actually rather difficult. For example, on another thread I referenced Gangl (2005, Income Inequality, Permanent Incomes, and Income Dynamics: Comparing Europe to the United States, Work and Occupations, Vol. 32 No. 2, pp. 140-162). This concludes:

“...many European countries thus achieve not just less income inequality but are able to combine this with higher levels of income stability, better chances of upward mobility for the poor, and a higher protection of the incomes of older workers than common in the United States”.

Well, the European countries don't border a 3rd world country, now do they? I doubt that the governments of those European countries was as corrupt as the bribed fed gov of the US, and therefore no 19th century illegal scab workforce was allowed to flood into those European countries. Big difference.

Scucca · 06-16-08, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Well, the European countries don't border a 3rd world country, now do they?

You'd expect greater income distribution movements as immigration increases. For example, there is likely to be some international incompatibility of human capital. As these problems are eliminated, income should naturally rise. The US's poor record in income mobility is not the result of your immigrant bogeyman

jfuh · 06-16-08, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Well, the European countries don't border a 3rd world country, now do they? I doubt that the governments of those European countries was as corrupt as the bribed fed gov of the US, and therefore no 19th century illegal scab workforce was allowed to flood into those European countries. Big difference.

France is just across the Med from Morocco - remember last years Parisian street riots? Immigration was the touchy point.

Rogue · 06-16-08, 08:35 PM

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France is just across the Med from Morocco - remember last years Parisian street riots? Immigration was the touchy point.

Illegal aliens can't exactly just walk across the Med can they? The US is just across the Atlantic from Africa?

France has very little ILLEGAL immigration. France's immigration problem are with legal immigrants. Muslims have come to believe that they can impose the will of Islam on the French people. France can be seen as what can happen when immigration runs amok. How quickly things can get out of control. Will France be the first European country to introduce sharia (Islamic) law?

Rogue · 06-16-08, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

To be fair, the employers are not the only ones, we the end consumer also benefit from it.

To really be fair AND balanced, perhaps you would list the miriads of ways we the end consumer DON'T benefit from illegal immigration?