Do Immigrants Work Harder? - Page 11

Rogue · 06-15-08, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

I've already said. The US has a long tail of low skilled labour, with resulting problems of working poverty. These problems existed before any hullabaloo howling over globalisation. The US economy therefore stands out, given the stability of most western capitalist economies is consistent with lower rates of poverty. Your ire would skip sweetly to suitability if you concentrated on the reasons behind the phenomena. You're more likely to have to refer to failures in human capital investment (from box-standard education problems generated by wealth inequalities to training weaknesses in upskilling) than Mexican immigration. And that is before you even consider the demand-side explanations of a low skilled equilibrium.

That hordes of unskilled ILLEGAL Mexican scabs have been allowed to flood into the US by our corrupt fed gov to satisfy the so called cheap illegal subsidized labor wants of American scumbag employers of illegals has greatly exacerbated the plight of American low skilled workers as well as middle class Americans. Strong national employer sanction laws against hiring illegal Mexican scabs will force most illegals to go back to their hellholes, and will be step one in restoring prosperity to low skilled Americans and middle class Americans.

Scucca · 06-15-08, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

[same ole same ole] has greatly exacerbated the plight of American low skilled workers as well as middle class Americans.

Prove it! Try and link your working poverty rate with labour mobility variable. You're making the same comment again and again, without any consideration of economic evidence.

The problem is the abundancy of low skilled jobs. In reality, you're going to have to refer to demand-side issues (rather than simple "doom, its end of us I tell you" weak comment about supply)

Rogue · 06-15-08, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

The problem is the abundancy of low skilled jobs.

Well, to be more precise, there is clearly an abundance of low skilled jobs offered by the scumbag employers of illegals that pay only those lowest wages that a desperate illegal is willing to work for. Wages so low that an American can't or won't work for. Isn't that more precise. As I said, the fed gov is totally corrupt, available to the highest bidder, currently bought off by the employers of illegals, to allow hordes of illegal Mexican scabs to flood into the US to undercut and lower American wages of low skilled and even middle class American workers.

I was sort of giving you the benefit of the doubt, but when you can't even allow my terminology to appear in a quote, replacing it with [same old same old] you have clearly exposed yourself as just another pro illegal open border lobbyist with a [same old same old] agenda.

Scucca · 06-15-08, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Well, to be more precise, there is clearly an abundance of low skilled jobs offered by the scumbag employers of illegals that pay only those lowest wages that a desperate illegal is willing to work for.

You've already given this blah rant several times. Why haven't you instead shown how working poverty rates are linked to labour mobility?

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I was sort of giving you the benefit of the doubt, but when you can't even allow my terminology to appear in a quote, replacing it with [same old same old] you have clearly exposed yourself as just another pro illegal open border lobbyist with a [same old same old] agenda.

Your comments are so one dimensional that I've remembered that its cardboard recycling week. You haven't bothered to understand the needed labour economics to understand these topics. This has ensured your reliance on repetition.

If you really want to eliminate illegal immigration then you should be focusing on the required globalisation strategy that narrows international wage differentials. I certainly do that. I actively support multilateralism, with fair trade the only method available that will minimise the problems generated by inefficient labour mobility

Rogue · 06-15-08, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

If you really want to eliminate illegal immigration then you should be focusing on the required globalisation strategy that narrows international wage differentials.

Unlike you, I'm trying to stop illegal immigration, not justify employing illegal Mexican scabs by the scumbag employers of illegals.

I'd say that at that exact moment that we stop scumbag employers of illegals from hiring illegal Mexican scab labor is also the exact moment that wage differentials between Mexican and American workers becomes immaterial.

Scucca · 06-15-08, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Unlike you, I'm trying to stop illegal immigration, not justify employing illegal Mexican scabs by the scumbag employers of illegals.

No, you're looking for someone to whinge at. Unlike you, I've referred to the answer for illegal immigration problem: fair trade to narrow international wage differentials. You've simply failed to integrate economic reality into your argument.

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I'd say that at that exact moment that we stop scumbag employers of illegals from hiring illegal Mexican scab labor is also the exact moment that wage differentials between Mexican and American workers becomes immaterial.

Absolute nonsense I'm afraid. Once you have allowed unfair trade relations, the only remaining way to target the economic gains from illegal immigration is to impose extensive punishments and initiate a far right regime. You up for that?

Awesome! · 06-15-08, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

You're obviously not able to comment on the corrupt US government, owned by the scumbag employers of illegals, who have allowed hordes of ILLEGAL Mexican scabs to flood into the US, wrecking the country, are you? That is you won't comment because it might interfer with your agenda of promoting and justifying the existance of illegal Mexican scabs in this country. What difference does it make whether illegal Mexican scabs have been able to survive in the US up till this point, because there is no justification for illegal Mexican scabs to be in this country.

If the SAVE Act can get passed these illegal Mexican scabs will be gone. The key provision of the SAVE Act is the universal mandatory e-verification of the legal status of an employee. Just plain common sense. Americans get to take the country back from corrupt ruling elites.

No, I'm able to comment on the government. I have many times in various threads stating that politicians won't deal with the problem directly because they couldn't survive politically. I just don't think that illegal immigration is taking away jobs or driving wages down as much as you state for the jobs that Americans want, and if you have one ounce of work ethic you can succeed in America. Are you saying you can't be successful in America? What job do you want so bad that illegals are taking? Did you have a union job picking oranges at $50.00 an hour? that they took?

You can blame legal immigrants, illegals, the government. It's a never ending mantra, blaming everyone else and a cryin' shame with all the opportunities here in America. Geez......

Scucca · 06-16-08, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Awesome!

It's a never ending mantra, blaming everyone else and a cryin' shame with all the opportunities here in America. Geez......

The problem is that, due to economic error, the wrong culprit(s) are chosen. The blame game is going to be particularly popular in the US as your "with all the opportunities here in America" isn't actually accurate. The US, compared to western competitors, has a rather stunted record in the income mobility stakes

Awesome! · 06-16-08, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

The problem is that, due to economic error, the wrong culprit(s) are chosen. The blame game is going to be particularly popular in the US as your "with all the opportunities here in America" isn't actually accurate. The US, compared to western competitors, has a rather stunted record in the income mobility stakes

I think that is true as a lot of wages have dropped for average Americans, however western competitors have some issues of their own per the following articles.

My point is that upward mobility in America is second to none if you want to work for it, sometimes even without an education. Your living in the past if you think you can make the same union wages as you did 20-30 years ago and blaming illegals is not the reason. Globalization has been the main cause of that.

You may have to dig in for a few years, and consider changing careers but by and large there are more opportunities in the U.S. than with western competitors.

Why is Inflation in the U.S. One-Third of Great Britain's? - Seeking Alpha

Europe vs. USA: Whose Economy Wins? - The New Federalist, webzine of the Young European Federalist

Scucca · 06-16-08, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Awesome!

You may have to dig in for a few years, and consider changing careers but by and large there are more opportunities in the U.S. than with western competitors

Supporting that view is actually rather difficult. For example, on another thread I referenced Gangl (2005, Income Inequality, Permanent Incomes, and Income Dynamics: Comparing Europe to the United States, Work and Occupations, Vol. 32 No. 2, pp. 140-162). This concludes:

“...many European countries thus achieve not just less income inequality but are able to combine this with higher levels of income stability, better chances of upward mobility for the poor, and a higher protection of the incomes of older workers than common in the United States”.