Do Immigrants Work Harder? - Page 10

Awesome! · 06-14-08, 02:24 PM

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The current brand of globalization works only for the ruling elites and the super rich. Where are the protections for the middle class and lower class Americans? Why don't those American companies that move outside the US have to pay a tarrif on their products that they import back into the US? Maybe they'd think twice before they moved outside the US? 3.5 million jobs lost to outsourcing? Did the most corrupt fed gov in US history analyse the long term effects to this country of allowing major outsourcing before they bent over for the super rich, or were they just bought off handsomely by the legions of lobbyists so that whichever CEO stood to gain made his maximum compensation?

So as soon as low skilled Americans are reduced to being as desperate as illegal Mexican scabs they'll start jumping on those scraps tossed down to them by the super rich and in the end be just as fine as those same desperate illegal Mexican scabs? Gotcha.

I would like to see more investment in education for lower class Americans. I know a lot of people that have received grants and have made a good living coming from a lower class upbringing. The standard shouldn't be to keep people in lower skilled jobs with the assumption that the government can protect those wages in this global economy.

Rogue · 06-14-08, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Awesome!

I would like to see more investment in education for lower class Americans. I know a lot of people that have received grants and have made a good living coming from a lower class upbringing. The standard shouldn't be to keep people in lower skilled jobs with the assumption that the government can protect those wages in this global economy.

Not able to comment on the corrupt fed gov, available to the highest bidder, bought up by the scumbag employers of illegals, allowing hordes of illegal Mexican scabs to flood illegally into the US to take jobs away from the low skilled American workers?

Scucca · 06-14-08, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

...to take jobs away from the low skilled American workers?

You should be more worried over why the US has such a large proportion of low skilled workers. The low skilled equilibrium that impacts the US economy demonstrates a much deeper failure of the government

Awesome! · 06-14-08, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Not able to comment on the corrupt fed gov, available to the highest bidder, bought up by the scumbag employers of illegals, allowing hordes of illegal Mexican scabs to flood illegally into the US to take jobs away from the low skilled American workers?

Well I'm not able to comment on Americans stating that they can't make anything happen for themselves because of illegals or the federal government or whatever lazy a## excuse as to why it's so da#n difficult in the bloody ole' US of Frickan A to get a job and be successful? It's an insult to all those who have come here, some without any money and not even knowing the language that have succeeded.

It's a da#n shame and sad if a lot of people share your views on America. Are we that spoiled?

Just go to another country, maybe Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico and live there for one month. I have and it might help you understand why people want to come here and change your views on the immigration issue.

Rogue · 06-14-08, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Awesome!

Well I'm not able to comment on Americans stating that they can't make anything happen for themselves because of illegals or the federal government or whatever lazy a## excuse as to why it's so da#n difficult in the bloody ole' US of Frickan A to get a job and be successful? It's an insult to all those who have come here, some without any money and not even knowing the language that have succeeded.

It's a da#n shame and sad if a lot of people share your views on America. Are we that spoiled?

Just go to another country, maybe Indonesia, Philippines, Mexico and live there for one month. I have and it might help you understand why people want to come here and change your views on the immigration issue.

You're obviously not able to comment on the corrupt US government, owned by the scumbag employers of illegals, who have allowed hordes of ILLEGAL Mexican scabs to flood into the US, wrecking the country, are you? That is you won't comment because it might interfer with your agenda of promoting and justifying the existance of illegal Mexican scabs in this country. What difference does it make whether illegal Mexican scabs have been able to survive in the US up till this point, because there is no justification for illegal Mexican scabs to be in this country.

If the SAVE Act can get passed these illegal Mexican scabs will be gone. The key provision of the SAVE Act is the universal mandatory e-verification of the legal status of an employee. Just plain common sense. Americans get to take the country back from corrupt ruling elites.

Scucca · 06-14-08, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

You're obviously not able to comment on the corrupt US government, owned by the scumbag employers of illegals, who have allowed hordes of ILLEGAL Mexican scabs to flood into the US, wrecking the country, are you?

This broken record routine of yours continues to fail to refer to the real economic problems confronted by the US people. It is two fold. First, they are harmed by protectionism. Second, they are hindered by neoliberalism such that a low skilled equilibrium has been allowed to flourish

Rogue · 06-14-08, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

You should be more worried over why the US has such a large proportion of low skilled workers. The low skilled equilibrium that impacts the US economy demonstrates a much deeper failure of the government

Whether or not the US has a large proportion of low skilled workers hasn't been much of a problem in the past. It became a problem when the employers of illegals bought off the corrupt fed gov into allowing a 19th century illegal Mexican scab workforce to invade the US and illegally compete with and undercut the wages of American workers, for the express purpose of lowering the wages of legal American workers. Of course it was OK to the bought off corrupt fed gov for the employers of illegals to increase their profits by employing illegal Mexican scab labor at the expense of taxpaying American workers.

Scucca · 06-14-08, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Whether or not the US has a large proportion of low skilled workers hasn't been much of a problem in the past.

Given your working poverty problem, that clearly is nonsense.

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It became a problem when [same ole same ole]

No it didn't. You have a long term problem that you are simply ignoring. You are using immigration as a means to hide from the real debate and the actual failures of your version of capitalism.

Rogue · 06-14-08, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

Given your working poverty problem, that clearly is nonsense.

No it didn't. You have a long term problem that you are simply ignoring. You are using immigration as a means to hide from the real debate and the actual failures of your version of capitalism.

Just what is that long term problem that we're ignoring. What is the real debate and what is the failure of our version of capitalism that you are just dying to tell us?

Scucca · 06-15-08, 05:19 AM

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Just what is that long term problem that we're ignoring.

I've already said. The US has a long tail of low skilled labour, with resulting problems of working poverty. These problems existed before any hullabaloo howling over globalisation. The US economy therefore stands out, given the stability of most western capitalist economies is consistent with lower rates of poverty. Your ire would skip sweetly to suitability if you concentrated on the reasons behind the phenomena. You're more likely to have to refer to failures in human capital investment (from box-standard education problems generated by wealth inequalities to training weaknesses in upskilling) than Mexican immigration. And that is before you even consider the demand-side explanations of a low skilled equilibrium.