Rogue

We all know that the fed gov doesn't work for American citizens anymore regarding illegal immigration. But I lay the responsibility for both that and the illegal Mexican invasion where it belongs, on the employers of illegals. The employers of illegals are the ones providing the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place. Apparently employing illegals is so lucrative that the employers of illegals have all the money they need to buy all of the politicians, including Presidents, they need to keep the borders open and the cheap labor coming in. They also have been able to afford legions of activist/lobbyists who are paid to try and convince America that the American economy can't get along without illegal labor. In reality, it's just the employers of illegal's pocketbooks taking a hit that they're worried about. Another important function of these activists is to deflect attention away from what these employers of illegals are actually doing. They've earned their money because you never hear of anyone wanting to tar and feather the bastard employers of illegals.

The ONLY thing that is going to effectively reverse the illegal Mexican invasion is to remove the jobs magnet that brings the illegals here in the first place. It's a no brainer. Everyone knows that the fed gov is dysfunctional because of all the paid for lobbyists and bought off politicians. At the states level, however, Arizona and Oklahoma passed tough on illegals laws that forced MANDATORY e-verification of an employees legal status on businesses, and REMOVES the business licenses of repeat offender employers of illegals, which effectively dried up the jobs magnet for most of these illegals, which in turn resulted in a mass self deportation of many of the illegals. All at little expense to American taxpayers.

It makes it a little easier to fight the illegal Mexican invasion when you realize who is really behind it and fully responsible for it, the employers of illegals.

Rogue

I WAS going to just keep my mouth shut and let this thread die but I've changed my mind. Some of the anti illegal crowd, of which I'm a staunch member of, obviously have no problem with bashing illegal aliens but seem to draw the line when it comes to holding the employers of illegals with having much responsibility for the illegal Mexican invasion, just because they provide the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here. They'll blame the gov and Mexico but not the employers of illegals that provide the jobs magnet. Could it be some of that good ole boy Republican stick togetherness we hear about? Apparently they don't want to come after the employers, 'cause the employers are just trying to help their bottom line' or 'I'd probably do the same thing'. What they want, it seems, is to try to seal the border and try to stop the supply of illegal labor itself and not penalize the employers of illegals. How has that worked? Especially since the gov is in the the hip pocket of big business and keeps allowing an endless supply of cheap labor.

Sadly and dishearteningly this is delusional self denial, because we're NEVER going to stop illegal immigration until the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals is stopped. The acid test is: if the jobs magnet that the employers of illegals provide that draws the illegals here in the first place was somehow stopped would the illegal Mexican horde still keep coming? Of course they would no longer come.

Tashah

Few polititians display any urge to remove their lips from the corporate teat.

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Voluntary

Getting rid of the welfare state and anchor babies would reduce illegal immigration.

John1234

I forget which ones, but some Congessmen recently stated that we have an urgent need for MORE illegal Mexican workers.
1 Congressman said this, and 3 or 4 backed him. Lieberman was one of them.


This just blows my mind.
Unemployment is rising.
Illegal workers are pulling down wages and quality of services while our taxes go to support them.
And it is destroying our economy.

Some crooks are willing to put this strain on our economy in order to keep the cost of certain services and products artificially low while helping an elite few that have financial motive for cheap labor, whether it be directly or through stocks.
As a result, inflation is rising while wages remain stagnant or decrease.
There are over 10 million jobs in this county that should be paying higher wages while employing Americans and "Legal" Immigrants.

jamesrage

Well said.I get sick of the stories of how all the illegals in the raids are rounded but it seems like you do not hear **** about the employers who hire illegals.Those who deliberately hire illegals should face the following punishments-

a.Prison time.
b.felony status.
c.loss of future ability to own and operate a business.
d.loss of property and assets.(If Asset forfeiture laws can be applied to drug dealers and other criminals they should be applied to those who hire illegals.)
e.severe fines.


Employers who hire illegals are the main reason why we have illegals in the first place.

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Rogue

Well, I certainly would get a charge if anything from your a thru e should happen to befall any employer of illegals. I don't think we'll ever see anything happen to any CEOs, however, since ICE has a habit of notifying a business of a raid beforehand to give that business a chance to kind of "clean things up a little" prior to the actual raid. Well, you really wouldn't expect any less from a corrupt Republican administration to kind of tip off a good ole boy Republican CEO of an impending dog and pony for show only imminent raid, now would you. However, Dimocrat CEOs may be quaking in their boots.

The most important goal is to stop the employers of illegals from providing the jobs magnet and it just seems it would be a lot easier and happen a lot faster if the threat of the lose of their business license was the chief tool to use. Forget the CEOs but if a personnel manager, an agent of the company, did not conduct a MANDATORY check of an employee's legal status or if a personnel manager did conduct the mandatory check but falsified the result and hired an illegal, STRIKE ONE, if caught. If caught in several of these violations, you get a suspended business license. If these violation continue, you lose your license. This would be a lot easier to prove and the threat of the loss of your business license is very powerful, enough even to make an employer of illegals FIRE all of their illegals.

Once you get these tough on illegals laws in place, that require MANDATORY e-verification of an employee's legal status, loss of business license to repeat offender employers of illegals, and PROOF of legal status to receive any social services, the jobs magnet will dry up, and the illegal Mexican invasion will be over, and even begin to reverse itself, as the illegals start to return back to wherever they came from.

You would even hear sob stories from Mexico about what will they do with all of these Mexican poverty rejects that Mexico dumped on the US who are now returning back to their roosts.

MC.no.spin

Don't blame the entire government - the Left is behind this. Look, this goes back to the Reagan era. After his amnesty for illegals he had along with that STIFF fines for those who employed illegals, up to a million dollars. However, none other than Teddy Kennedy got these fines shot down. It no longer became a deterrent to hiring illegals, and so there went any barrier to truck loads of wet backs coming into the country for work.

Kennedy and his cronies have been working overtime ever since to give them voting rights, IDs, health care, scholarships, and equal footing with actual Americans.
It's gotten so insane now that they say it actually benefits the working class.

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The heart of human intelligence is pattern recognition ~ Ray Kurzweill

jamesrage

Using the Asset forfeiture laws to apply to businesses who hire illegals and hefty fines would encourage local law enforcement to crack down on the businesses who hire illegals.If they didn't use the e-verification to check on their employee then that is their fault,it doesn't matter if it is or isn't required to perform the check.The fact they didn't do the check only shows they didn't check to see if the individual they hired is here legally.

Jake Blues

Employers bring them in and then make taxpayers pick up the tab.
They send them down to the emergency room when any healthcare is needed.California has had to close down some 30 emergemcy rooms in the last year alone because they use them and the federal government using your tax dollars is supposed to pay, only the federal government is degenerate.So the emergency rooms bleed red ink until shutdown is inevitable.Think about that the next time you need emergency care and have to drive an hour or more.Companies subvert all kinds of laws such as OSHA rules and Health Code,I worked with ignorant illegals and they not only don't speak English they can't read. You put your life in your hands eating at places where they work.Chinese illegals are even worse.Their hygeine is absolutely disgusting!

Are schools are so overrun with illegals we need more teachers and teachers are wasting time teaching down so that they can keep up.More of your tax dollars.

When they commit crime they slide right back over the border.There is now open warfare in some cities between African-Americans and Latino gangs with many innocent people getting caught up in between.Chicago had thirty shootings in 12 hours this past weekeend!

We are fast becoming a third world country.It's a real shame to see what is happening to this country so some jerks can exploit ignorant illegals and get around hiring Americans.Before people say these are jobs are jobs nobody wants, let me say there are plenty of students,legal immigrants and others who would do the work.That is a big lie that the illegal employers keep feeding us.The congress has become nothing but a bunch of rich hypocrites so out of touch with real Americans.Joe Leiberman is one Romney is another.Hiring illegals is the last time I checked against US law.If US lawmakers don't follow the law then why should we expect that any else would?Which starts a trend if you dont like a law just ignore it.

The solution is jailtime and revocation of business licenses as well as stiff monetary penalties.