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Old 02-16-08, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm assuming America wouldn't be what it is today without the Irish, Italian, Chinese, Mexican and other races coming to this country. In other words, if we didn't have immigrants coming to this country, would America be as prosperous as it is?
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I'm assuming America wouldn't be what it is today without the Irish, Italian, Chinese, Mexican and other races coming to this country. In other words, if we didn't have immigrants coming to this country, would America be as prosperous as it is?
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Wouldn't be anyone around here except the Indians if no one immagrated here.
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Off course that not counting the 'illegall alliens' here. They either or walked in the desert in the dark of the night to sneek in here.
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I'm assuming America wouldn't be what it is today without the Irish, Italian, Chinese, Mexican and other races coming to this country. In other words, if we didn't have immigrants coming to this country, would America be as prosperous as it is?
Is this one of those since we let in all those people in with no strings attached we should let in people now with no strings attached arguments? There is a huge difference between when we let in all those nationalities back then and today.Back then there was no welfare,public schools, tax payer funded assistances, medicare, foodstamps,and section 8 housing.I guarantee if USa had those things a century ago most of those people would have never been allowed off the boat.We as Americans have a right to demand that those who come here speak our language,not be a burden to us,bring skills/talents that can be used in our country and not bring some new or formerly wiped out disease.
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Is this one of those since we let in all those people in with no strings attached we should let in people now with no strings attached arguments? There is a huge difference between when we let in all those nationalities back then and today.Back then there was no welfare,public schools, tax payer funded assistances, medicare, foodstamps,and section 8 housing.I guarantee if USa had those things a century ago most of those people would have never been allowed off the boat.We as Americans have a right to demand that those who come here speak our language,not be a burden to us,bring skills/talents that can be used in our country and not bring some new or formerly wiped out disease.
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Re: No Immigrants = ?????

What is with all the people that confuse immigrants with illegal immigrants?

We want immigrants, including Mexican immigrants.
We do not want illegal immigrants of any nationality.

Anytime i tried to make a point about illegal immigrants in this forum, countless people start going on about immigrants.

Immigrants don't sweep across the country blanketing entire labor markets in groups of 5 and 10 thousand.
Illegal immigrants do.

Immigrants are welcomed in because we have the need and the room for them.

Illegal immigrants play hell with our labor and housing markets and leach our society.

There are vast differences and they share little in common other than that they are from somewhere else.
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What is with all the people that confuse immigrants with illegal immigrants?
It's deliberate on the part of those who support illegal immigration.Usualy anytime a pro-illegal says "immigrant" they mean illegal alien/illegal.It is hide the fact these people criminals.That is why the media uses such terms as "undocumented immigrants","day laborers","undocumented americans","migrant workers" and any other term to hide the fact these people criminals.THey also use the term immigrant to apply to illegals so that they can accuse anyone who is opposed to illegal immigration of being against immigration.


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We do not want illegal immigrants of any nationality.
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Anytime i tried to make a point about illegal immigrants in this forum, countless people start going on about immigrants.
It is so they can accuse you of being racist,xenophobic or hispaniphobic.They attempt to label any group against illegal immigration as being racist even those whose membership and leadership consist of blacks,Hispanics,Asians and immigrants.
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It's deliberate on the part of those who support illegal immigration.Usualy anytime a pro-illegal says "immigrant" they mean illegal alien/illegal.It is hide the fact these people criminals.That is why the media uses such terms as "undocumented immigrants","day laborers","undocumented americans","migrant workers" and any other term to hide the fact these people criminals.THey also use the term immigrant to apply to illegals so that they can accuse anyone who is opposed to illegal immigration of being against immigration.






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It is so they can accuse you of being racist,xenophobic or hispaniphobic.They attempt to label any group against illegal immigration as being racist even those whose membership and leadership consist of blacks,Hispanics,Asians and immigrants.
I'm not here to call you a racist, or here to support illegal immigration. My point is that there is a direct correlation between the floods of immigrants that came here before with the flood of illegal immigrants that are coming here now, primarily from Mexico that industry benefits from, just like other countries like China that produce a ton of goods that come to America. Whether it's a worker in a factory in China, an illegal that is competing for day labor, or an Irish or Italian immigrant 100 years ago, or legal immigrants coming here now, the point is.... there will always be competition and people willing to work for less. So to say that you can't thrive in America due to the present influx of illegal aliens from Mexico is not the reality.
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I'm not here to call you a racist, or here to support illegal immigration. My point is that there is a direct correlation between the floods of immigrants that came here before with the flood of illegal immigrants that are coming here now, primarily from Mexico that industry benefits from, just like other countries like China that produce a ton of goods that come to America. Whether it's a worker in a factory in China, an illegal that is competing for day labor, or an Irish or Italian immigrant 100 years ago, or legal immigrants coming here now, the point is.... there will always be competition and people willing to work for less. So to say that you can't thrive in America due to the present influx of illegal aliens from Mexico is not the reality.
As I said before there is huge difference between now and back then.We didn't have welfare,section 8 housing,tax payer funded education,welfare,food stamps,cushy prisons,free instate tuition for illegals and their children, and etc.Allowing an unlimited number of people into our nation is insane and would drive us into the poorhouse.If Americans were paying for those things over a hundred years ago the Chinese,Irish and who ever else would have never been allowed off the boat.

Also the influx of all that cheap imported labor drove wages down which is why the Chinese,Irish and who ever else came off the boat over a hundred years ago were despised and why unions were started.Men like Andrew Carnegie should be despised for their exploitation of people especially by liberals.
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As I said before there is huge difference between now and back then.We didn't have welfare,section 8 housing,tax payer funded education,welfare,food stamps,cushy prisons,free instate tuition for illegals and their children, and etc.Allowing an unlimited number of people into our nation is insane and would drive us into the poorhouse.If Americans were paying for those things over a hundred years ago the Chinese,Irish and who ever else would have never been allowed off the boat.

Also the influx of all that cheap imported labor drove wages down which is why the Chinese,Irish and who ever else came off the boat over a hundred years ago were despised and why unions were started.Men like Andrew Carnegie should be despised for their exploitation of people especially by liberals.
There is no difference. People just trying to survive and better themselves. You sound more leftist talking about expoitation and the Carnegie comment.

The point is people will be exploited, but in America the difference is only for a time. Case in point is we don't talk about the poor Irish, Germans, Chinese, Italians, Vietnamese etc. etc. right? Not because of the union, but because of people's work ethic, which is why I support the guest worker concept because it gives us the cheap labor we need and is a political solution reaching a compromise with the floods of illegals already here enabled by our country's inability to enforce the law which is creating serious financial issues.
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There is no difference. People just trying to survive and better themselves. You sound more leftist talking about expoitation and the Carnegie comment.
Yet it is the leftist who seem to be the biggest supporters of unlimited immigration,open borders and illegal immigration.



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We do not need a compromise with the illegals who are here, it is called enforce the fucking laws that are already on the books. Arizona,Oklahoma as well as many cities are enforcing the law and the illegals are fleeing to sanctuary states and cities. Del Rio, Texas and other cities on the border are enforcing the laws with operation streamline and the illegals go around through the sanctuary sections on the border instead of the areas of the border where the laws are being enforced.

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Inability to enforce the law and absolute refusal to enforce the law are two separate things.In the case of our politicians they are refusing to secure our borders and crack down on illegals and the employers who hire them.
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